Thoughts

[gregkavarnos]

Last but not least, the only authentic dzogchen-mengagde book, you become public, is this. I don't wanna go from here, without these pointer .

Oh dear, another Bonpo with an inferiority complex, what's up with that? Is it a seasonal phenomenon or something?

[muni]

Dzogchen is our nature. Dzogchen is not an easy or an not easy cultivation. What already is, is not to find in created books ABOUT.

ps: Peace isn't created. It is there, only not seen through habitual fixated knowing. Merely watching thoughts from distance can help us all, whatever which religion or practice. They are allowed to evaporate.

[seraphim]

One can't even learn Aikido or cooking properly without a teacher, let alone Dzogchen!

[kalden yungdrung]

One can't even learn Aikido or cooking properly without a teacher, let alone Dzogchen!

Tashi delek,

What about our inner Guru?
What about Dzogchen practice in previous lives ?
What about a high level of understanding and very good karma?

Well some can and some cannot.........

But i do agree the most of us cannot realise the inner Guru without the help of the outer Guru.
Also who is searching for the Buddha outside will never find it there

Mutosg Marro
KY

[kalden yungdrung]

Last but not least, the only authentic dzogchen-mengagde book, you become public, is this. I don't wanna go from here, without these pointer .

Oh dear, another Bonpo with an inferiority complex, what's up with that? Is it a seasonal phenomenon or something?

Tashi delek,

HDOD is indeed one of the best basic books there are, to get in touch with Dzogchen and this has nothing to do with an inferiority complex, but more with an excellent experience.

We also don't call it an inferiority complex if one says the flight of the Garuda is a good basic book regarding Dzogchen explanations.
Well a little preference one can sure have and has not to be equaled with an inferiority, so Greg total non sense, sorry.

Mutsog Marro
KY

[gregkavarnos]

Dear KY,

I was not referring to you, but recently we had Flow, now Thigle and before them caveman, actually I would say that you are the ONLY bonpopa on this site that DOES NOT have an inferiority complex!

[Clarence]

Dear KY,

I was not referring to you, but recently we had Flow, now Thigle and before them caveman, actually I would say that you are the ONLY bonpopa on this site that DOES NOT have an inferiority complex!

That is because he is Dutch. And they are too cool for inferiority complexes.

[Malcolm]

Right, you can only learn dzogchen from a book or text .

You cannot learn Dzogchen from a book, nevertheless, there are texts that are authoritative for Dzogchen. But to learn Dzogchne, you need a master.

[Malcolm]

What about our inner Guru?

That the path, received from outer guru.

What about Dzogchen practice in previous lives ?

Means that in this life it will be easier for you to meet an authentic Dzogchen guru.

What about a high level of understanding and very good karma?

Without transmission, no Dzogchen.


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[alpha]

for me is not that easy.
I am at "looking and not seeing anything". This is where i am stuck.

what about listening to people ,talking and being involved in activities which require using your memory and concepts?How is that accomplished?How is that integrated?

I find really difficult to understand how to marry "looking back and not seeing anything"with listening or talking for example to somebody where you have to use memory and concepts and then trying to integrate these activities with that where is nothing but space...Obviously the concepts and memory is the clarity aspect.
But how do you integrate this clarity with the "not seeing anything"?
Well ...some would say that they never been separated .But for me they are.
I am at the level where they are separated ,unfortunately

How can you not fall into dualism when talking?

[Karma Dondrup Tashi]

for me is not that easy.
I am at "looking and not seeing anything". This is where i am stuck.

what about listening to people ,talking and being involved in activities which require using your memory and concepts?How is that accomplished?How is that integrated?

I find really difficult to understand how to marry "looking back and not seeing anything"with listening or talking for example to somebody where you have to use memory and concepts and then trying to integrate these activities with that where is nothing but space...Obviously the concepts and memory is the clarity aspect.
But how do you integrate this clarity with the "not seeing anything"?
Well ...some would say that they never been separated .But for me they are.
I am at the level where they are separated ,unfortunately

How can you not fall into dualism when talking?

You're not alone in this. It isn't easy. But we have it on faith that it's possible to do, even while performing such activities. Don't lose heart.

Many, many short sessions, that's the ticket I think.

[Paul]

for me is not that easy.
I am at "looking and not seeing anything". This is where i am stuck.

what about listening to people ,talking and being involved in activities which require using your memory and concepts?How is that accomplished?How is that integrated?

I find really difficult to understand how to marry "looking back and not seeing anything"with listening or talking for example to somebody where you have to use memory and concepts and then trying to integrate these activities with that where is nothing but space...Obviously the concepts and memory is the clarity aspect.
But how do you integrate this clarity with the "not seeing anything"?
Well ...some would say that they never been separated .But for me they are.
I am at the level where they are separated ,unfortunately

How can you not fall into dualism when talking?

I had a similar, infuriating blockage which lead me to be stuck in the "looking". I got past it by following my teacher's instructions on "letting be" after the initial recognition.

[alpha]

there is a danger in "looking" because one can objectify "that" and get stuck there .
i think is where i have a problem.

occasionally i get past the looking and i think i have it .its how they describe it in texts but immediately some kind of fear arises in the form of doubt, questioning "is it this" or "am i doing it right" .

it is a constant and repeated fall from grace into samasara.

[username]

The First Vajra Theme: Absence
'All things material and their qualities are absent'

I.1. The Disclosure of Absence

4. The Absence of All Concrete Reality

First let me tell you about 'absence',
the absence that is essentially emptiness:
in the super-matrix of pure mind that is like space
whatever appears is absent in reality.

Gnosis itself and everything appearing in its scope is utterly empty, lacking any identity, so with all proliferating projection and elaborating concepts undermined nothing ever comes into existence.

In the nirvana of indeterminate gnosis,
there is no proliferation, no substance or attribute.

http://www.keithdowman.net/dzogchen/old ... he_sun.htm

[Paul]

there is a danger in "looking" because one can objectify "that" and get stuck there .
i think is where i have a problem.

occasionally i get past the looking and i think i have it .its how they describe it in texts but immediately some kind of fear arises in the form of doubt, questioning "is it this" or "am i doing it right" .

it is a constant and repeated fall from grace into samasara.

I have just been learning to get past that very same thing. I have found that 'letting be in naturalness' is not easy, but it's definitely required for successfully enhancing experience and also overcoming doubt - something I had a real problem with too.

Personally I have been best helped by 100% relying on two teachers and following their advice - unmodified by my own opinions - to the letter. Looking back I can see that I would focus on only part of what I was told, not 100%. Of course recordings and books by your root teacher become invaluable at this point.

[gregkavarnos]

First let me tell you about 'absence',
the absence that is essentially emptiness:
in the super-matrix of pure mind that is like space
whatever appears is absent in reality.

What in tarnations is a super matrix? Is he translating a Tibetan term here?

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[kalden yungdrung]

Right, you can only learn dzogchen from a book or text .

You cannot learn Dzogchen from a book, nevertheless, there are texts that are authoritative for Dzogchen. But to learn Dzogchne, you need a master.

Tashi delek,

One can sure study some Dzogchen text by heart, by memory. That study is done by the dualistic mind like all study.

But to practice that what was memorised is another case and here is the Master's advice very needed.
This because the practice of the most students is based on their Bagchags and this is a very bad confusing factor in realizing Rigpa.

But i know, that some students cannot afford the money to go to the teachings, Master and so they think that with a high degree of intelligence one could be able to do it all home made. That is very dangerous because of some froozen Bagchags who allways can interfere the meaning of Rigpa.

So i see the practice as connected ALWAYS to the Master, but the memorizing of words and text that can be done easy, if this is not coloured by personal preferences etc.
The advantage of memorizing is that when the Master does explain the practice one can reflect easy on that what has already have been memorized.

Best wishes
KY

[Sönam]

First let me tell you about 'absence',
the absence that is essentially emptiness:
in the super-matrix of pure mind that is like space
whatever appears is absent in reality.

What in tarnations is a super matrix? Is he translating a Tibetan term here?

matrix-system-failure.jpg

Yes ... ChNN (or his translator), into an introduction to (one's more) Keith Dowman's Old Man Basking in the Sun, used the terminology "... according to the rubric of mind, matrix and secret precept.", and also "the three series of Dzogchen instruction (Mind, Matrix and Secret Precept) ...

Sönam

[Malcolm]

whatever appears is absent in reality.

What in tarnations is a super matrix? Is he translating a Tibetan term here?
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He is translating klong chen i.e. great space.

[Sönam]

whatever appears is absent in reality.
What in tarnations is a super matrix? Is he translating a Tibetan term here?

He is translating klong chen i.e. great space.

"... according to the rubric of mind, matrix and secret precept.", and also "the three series of Dzogchen instruction (Mind, Matrix and Secret Precept)

And there it is the "space serie"

Sönam