Nothing could be simpler than recognizing and resting in the nature of mind.Enochian wrote:This thread is why I am not a Dzogchen practitioner.
Its not that complicated. Read my sig.
That's why it's so difficult.
Nothing could be simpler than recognizing and resting in the nature of mind.Enochian wrote:This thread is why I am not a Dzogchen practitioner.
Its not that complicated. Read my sig.
Tashi delek,Enochian wrote:This thread is why I am not a Dzogchen practitioner.
Its not that complicated. Read my sig.
Sry for my very, very bad english.Enochian wrote:It wasn't anything personal against you.
Its just that you ALL seem so confused.
For myself, it is pretty simple. I live by whats in my signature.
If Dzogchen were easy, there would not be so many dickheads.thigle wrote: Dzogchen is easy.
Yes..for dickheads, easiness seems too complicated . But we have ngöndro, so, no problem.Namdrol wrote:If Dzogchen were easy, there would not be so many dickheads.thigle wrote: Dzogchen is easy.
thigle wrote:Yes..for dickheads, easiness seems too complicated . But we have ngöndro, so, no problem.Namdrol wrote:If Dzogchen were easy, there would not be so many dickheads.thigle wrote: Dzogchen is easy.
That is the truth. You echo the words of my Guru as he thought the "three words" to us the other day.Namdrol wrote:I don't know, when someone like Chogyal Namkhai Norbu says Dzogchen is "...not so easy", I tend to believe him.
Dzogchen is easy to say, but the real test is whether one's afflictions have decreased. If not, then one's "Dzogchen" is not working to well.
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I did not say that Dzogchen was complicated. Dzogchen is "simple". But it is not easy. Most of the people who study Dzogchen have no fracking clue what Dzogchen actually is...especially those who claim it is easy.thigle wrote:It is unaffected. And that's so hard for us. But when you think, it is complicated, let it be complicated, as practice
If dzogchen is simple, why we have so many dickheads? But i think, it's a language problem from my side. In german, 'easy', or easiness (einfach / Einfachheit) can be in the context of 'unaffected' or 'natural'.Namdrol wrote:I did not say that Dzogchen was complicated. Dzogchen is "simple". But it is not easy. Most of the people who study Dzogchen have no fracking clue what Dzogchen actually is...especially those who claim it is easy.thigle wrote:It is unaffected. And that's so hard for us. But when you think, it is complicated, let it be complicated, as practice
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Because even though Dzogchen is simple, it is extremely subtle.thigle wrote:
If dzogchen is simple, why we have so many dickheads?
Fa Dao wrote:So far as a newbie I have found Dzogchen to be quite simple and direct. Garab Dorje and ChNN lay it all out very nicely. Definitely NOT easy though. Does require a certain amount of relaxed persistence. Still occasionally have that pesky feeling that I should be DOING something if I want to progress...but supposedly that will dissolve into itself eventually too.
It is easy to get the scent of Dzogchen. But in reality, understanding Dzogchen is much harder. The biggest obstacle to understanding Dzogchen is thinking that we understand it. I do not mean it is impossible to understand Dzogchen, of course it is possible, but that understanding can really only be predicated on personal experience, and it is the extremely rare person who can understand Dzogchen based on a few teaching and a couple of months of practice. Most of us need to spend ten or twenty years.Fa Dao wrote:Namdrol,
thank you. Unlike others that I have seen on this forum I know you are not saying these things to be a dickhead. Help me out here. If I am missing something or not understanding something please dont just point out that I am clueless, tell me how and why I am clueless and how I can correct it and get the proper understanding. If you prefer to do that in private PM me, if not tell me in the open forum.
For somebody that neither practices nor has a teacher you sure make a lot of judgements and statements about dzogchen practitioners and practice!Enochian wrote:It wasn't anything personal against you.
Its just that you ALL seem so confused.
For myself, it is pretty simple. I live by whats in my signature.
When you talk about personal experience, do you mean the experiene of Rigpa/Nature of mind or are you talking about more? Does one really need to spend 10 to 20 years to get Rigpa? Guess what I am actually asking is what it means to understand Dzogchen?Namdrol wrote: It is easy to get the scent of Dzogchen. But in reality, understanding Dzogchen is much harder. The biggest obstacle to understanding Dzogchen is thinking that we understand it. I do not mean it is impossible to understand Dzogchen, of course it is possible, but that understanding can really only be predicated on personal experience, and it is the extremely rare person who can understand Dzogchen based on a few teaching and a couple of months of practice. Most of us need to spend ten or twenty years. N