Mind/Rigpa and body relation

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Re: Mind/Rigpa and body relation

Postby Grigoris » Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:11 pm

The problem with French and German is that the French and the Germans use it! :tongue:
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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Re: Mind/Rigpa and body relation

Postby Sönam » Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:30 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: Mind/Rigpa and body relation

Postby Dronma » Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:50 pm

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Re: Mind/Rigpa and body relation

Postby Dronma » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:09 pm

Moreover, the first anthropomorphic representations of the Buddha himself are often considered a result of the Greco-Buddhist interaction. Before this innovation, Buddhist art was "aniconic": the Buddha was only represented through his symbols (an empty throne, the Bodhi tree, the Buddha's footprints, the Dharma wheel).
This reluctance towards anthropomorphic representations of the Buddha, and the sophisticated development of aniconic symbols to avoid it (even in narrative scenes where other human figures would appear), seem to be connected to one of the Buddha’s sayings, reported in the Digha Nikaya, that discouraged representations of himself after the extinction of his body.
Probably not feeling bound by these restrictions, and because of "their cult of form", the Greeks were the first to attempt a sculptural representation of the Buddha.

The Buddha, in Greco-Buddhist style, 1st-2nd century CE, Gandhara (Modern eastern Afghanistan). (Standing Buddha (Tokyo National Museum)).


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Herculean depiction of Vajrapani (right), as the protector of the Buddha, 2nd century CE Gandhara, British Museum.

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Re: Mind/Rigpa and body relation

Postby Sally Gross » Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:03 am

Dukkham eva hi, na koci dukkhito,
kaarako na, kiriyaa va vijjati,
atthi nibbuti, na nibbuto pumaa,
maggam atthi, gamako na vijjati


Suffering there certainly is, but no sufferer,
no doer, though certainly the deed is found.
peace is achieved, but no-one's appeased,
the way is walked, but no walker's to be found.

- Visuddhimagga XVI, 90

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Re: Mind/Rigpa and body relation

Postby Grigoris » Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:05 am

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"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Mind/Rigpa and body relation

Postby muni » Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:06 am

Transmission is from essence-nature, not from texts/books.

The word rigpa itself, is not a must at all, since it is not dependent on the right word we understand. On top there are many many dialects in Tibet. Most people could/cannot read at all, but understanding was!
A saying: "We can know a thousand things which forms samsaric anchor, or know one thing and be free".

Dzogchen is "talking" from essence, answers are coming from essence. Whether there is respect for this or not.

Adventitious show in open air: mind-body - rigpa.



master-student = Dzogchen. There are many dharmas, for all of us.

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Re: Mind/Rigpa and body relation

Postby Sally Gross » Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:35 am

Muni, you are right, of-course; but given that some Dzogchen literature is published -- and it is helpful to people on the path during the baby-step phase I am in at present, and probably a good way beyond that -- it makes sense to ask what languages and other media apart from direct transmission and the face-to-face instructions of one's Guru articulate that to which one has been introduced and what has been transmitted to one best. Speaking as someone who received direct introduction and a whole raft of tridlungs from Rinpoche recently by way of the webcasts, I can testify that I would be hopelessly lost and a great deal more overwhelmed than I am without publications from SSI in particular to flesh things out and to help me to recognise the experience so that it can be integrated. Given the circumstances in which we live, books of various kinds are of great help.

Talking of reading as a way to work through that to which we have been introduced directly and certain of the transmissions, a thread on this very forum drew my attention to a set of four pocket-sized volumes published in Nepal, The Healthy Mind Interviews edited by Henry Miles Vyner MD, a practitioner of Dzogchen. On the basis of the recommendation in the thread, I ordered the four volumes, recently received three of them, and have read through the first of them, a set of interviews with Khenpo Nyima Wangyal, a Bonpo Master of Dzogchen. They are available through Wisdom Books and, having been printed in Nepal, are inexpensive and (considerations of price aside) are enormously good value judging by the first volume. Their content is decidedly on-topic in relation to this thread, and what I read was redolent of direct experience rather than intellectual scholarship.
Dukkham eva hi, na koci dukkhito,
kaarako na, kiriyaa va vijjati,
atthi nibbuti, na nibbuto pumaa,
maggam atthi, gamako na vijjati


Suffering there certainly is, but no sufferer,
no doer, though certainly the deed is found.
peace is achieved, but no-one's appeased,
the way is walked, but no walker's to be found.

- Visuddhimagga XVI, 90

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Re: Mind/Rigpa and body relation

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Re: Mind/Rigpa and body relation

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Re: Mind/Rigpa and body relation

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Re: Mind/Rigpa and body relation

Postby Sally Gross » Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:23 pm

Dukkham eva hi, na koci dukkhito,
kaarako na, kiriyaa va vijjati,
atthi nibbuti, na nibbuto pumaa,
maggam atthi, gamako na vijjati


Suffering there certainly is, but no sufferer,
no doer, though certainly the deed is found.
peace is achieved, but no-one's appeased,
the way is walked, but no walker's to be found.

- Visuddhimagga XVI, 90

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Re: Mind/Rigpa and body relation

Postby muni » Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:49 pm

Hello Sally, masters can point to books, which are helpful. Nothing wrong with reading books, translations are very appreciate.
But how we approach the texts can be important for our practice.
In another tread in Bon, a picture of H H Dudjom Rinpoche is posted. I think that can be a good example.

There is written "look at this picture, then look at your mind, look at the one who is looking."

There is not written: look at the picture, focus on it, analyse the picture, give opinions... I mean any focus by conceptual mind is hiding unconceptual is there told.

ps Intellectual teachings by a master, is said, not to be the same as direct transmissions into nondual.

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Re: Mind/Rigpa and body relation

Postby muni » Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:07 pm

In another tread, which is closed, I saw about arrogance and the need to can ask on a forum and so on. So I wrote here a bit adapt to this tread.
Regarding that arrogance of mind, I learned to see that there is no complete awakening without "others". It is by them that we can fully be "enlightened". In short, by arrogance, we block this opportunity.

Just "some two cents". :popcorn:

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Re: Mind/Rigpa and body relation

Postby Sally Gross » Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:34 pm

Dukkham eva hi, na koci dukkhito,
kaarako na, kiriyaa va vijjati,
atthi nibbuti, na nibbuto pumaa,
maggam atthi, gamako na vijjati


Suffering there certainly is, but no sufferer,
no doer, though certainly the deed is found.
peace is achieved, but no-one's appeased,
the way is walked, but no walker's to be found.

- Visuddhimagga XVI, 90

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Re: Mind/Rigpa and body relation

Postby muni » Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:27 pm

Dear,
Only general arrogance and Dzogchen. Dzogchen is rigpa and not mind. "Others are not separate in rigpa (nondual). Me and others are not exactly two separate entities. But you know that, so let me shut up...blabla...

Shantideva for example, who wrote huge works and then said something like: I have not something beneficial to say, but all what I wrote is own practice.

I rejoice for your opportunity and everyone here to can listen to Namkhay Norbu Rinpoche!

Nothing more i can say.
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Re: Mind/Rigpa and body relation

Postby Adamantine » Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:34 pm

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Re: Mind/Rigpa and body relation

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


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Re: Mind/Rigpa and body relation

Postby Sönam » Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:10 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -

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Re: Mind/Rigpa and body relation

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa


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