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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 7:04 pm 
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asunthatneversets wrote:
Closed Webcast.

The schedule of retreat in Hotel Buena Vista is:
8th -12th May 2013
Tsegyalgar West retreat.
The teaching will be Zhinang Yeshes
Dronme (Tib. g.zhi-snang ye-shes sgron-me)
The Wisdom light of the Base.
Closed webcast.

The Lama Yangtik is made up of small inner trilogies. The Lamp of Wisdom (explaining) the Manifestations of the Base (gZhi snang ye shes sgron me) belongs to the first trilogy of the 2nd volume of the Lama Yangtik, known as the Trilogy of the Lamps (sGron me gsum) and it goes together with: (i) the Lamp Clarifying the meaning of Allegoric Examples (dPe don gsal byed sgron me) and (ii) the Lamp of the key-points of Practice (Nyams len gnad kyi sgron me).

The Lamp of Wisdom describes :
1. the primordial Base
2. the actual manifestations of the Base
3. the way they subside
4. the way they arise again after subsiding
5. the way they liberate after having arisen.

Don't you think it would be polite to attribute that to the person who wrote it?

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 3:51 am 
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Dronma wrote:
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oldbob wrote:
The archives exist. A few "special" people have access to these archives. The appearance is that these "special" people are doing what they can to restrict equal access.


Why are they doing that? What's the rationale?


It's just Bob's vision and personal interpretation of things. :tongue:


Yes, it is my vision and personal interpretation of things --- based on 31 years of observation and participation in the DC.

I have my strongly held opinions as to what motivates the power people, but I am not sure that voicing my concerns would be useful, or within the TOA of DW.

I think it is pretty clear. Everyone can see the situation directly through their own eyes, and understand why the current situation exists regarding access to the media archives.

If anyone wants the full explanation, you can PM me.

The key point is that many people would benefit if the archives are opened to all members. The history is not so important. What Rinpoche will allow for the future is what is important.

Perhaps other voices, than the power people, need to be heard.

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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 5:10 am 
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Pero wrote:
asunthatneversets wrote:
Closed Webcast.

The schedule of retreat in Hotel Buena Vista is:
8th -12th May 2013
Tsegyalgar West retreat.
The teaching will be Zhinang Yeshes
Dronme (Tib. g.zhi-snang ye-shes sgron-me)
The Wisdom light of the Base.
Closed webcast.

The Lama Yangtik is made up of small inner trilogies. The Lamp of Wisdom (explaining) the Manifestations of the Base (gZhi snang ye shes sgron me) belongs to the first trilogy of the 2nd volume of the Lama Yangtik, known as the Trilogy of the Lamps (sGron me gsum) and it goes together with: (i) the Lamp Clarifying the meaning of Allegoric Examples (dPe don gsal byed sgron me) and (ii) the Lamp of the key-points of Practice (Nyams len gnad kyi sgron me).

The Lamp of Wisdom describes :
1. the primordial Base
2. the actual manifestations of the Base
3. the way they subside
4. the way they arise again after subsiding
5. the way they liberate after having arisen.

Don't you think it would be polite to attribute that to the person who wrote it?



The fine information posted above was a collective effort provided by the fine minds of both sönam and Mutsuk Marro from vajracakra, much obliged! I do not own the rights to this information and would like to thank both cut and paste for the integral roles they played in making the precise transfer of this information possible. May it benefit countless beings!

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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 5:42 am 
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where can I buy that costume? I REALLY wanna have it!!! I'm sure if I'm wearing that thing I'll be a real super-dzogchenpa! :woohoo:


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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 4:05 pm 
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Well so much for ever being in the CIA. Now everyone knows what I look like. :smile:

On the humorous side, in January I wrote to SSI asking for a list of the secondary practices.

Maybe it is more timely if we make our own. We are all getting older and the time of death is uncertain.

This is a list sourced from several practitioners. If you can add, correct or condense anything, and send it back as a PM, from time to time I will send out updates.

Maybe someone who is a scholar can clean the list up, (use Wylie please, as it is more generally known) and send it back. Of course, everyone should also feel free to publish things directly.

The point of publishing the list is that this is the practice heart of the Dzogchen Community. Guru Yoga is the primary practice and infuses all other practices / activities, 24/7. The DC is more than Yantra Yoga and Vajra Dance, yet 90 percent of the course offerings has been just these two subjects. (Maybe this is why so few go to non-Rinpoche retreats at the Gars.) Maybe more people would attend retreats if these other secondary practices were taught as well.

Each practice could also be presented on-line, with a full hyper-links (you click you go there) reference to the retreat it was taught from in the Media archives: audio only, audio and video, and transcripts.

A short summary of each practice could be prepared and put into a descriptive index of the practices of the Collected Works. Then it would be nice if a "Practice Collected Works" could be published - on line for members, that would be a collection of teaching modules with the texts, images, and audio (for mantras) and video (for mudras) references, available as click-on items for each practice. This is doable now - in our life time :smile: - through crowd sourcing within the community.

Then the multi-media "Collected Works for Practitioners" can be published on line for members. This is not proselytizing, it is just making what is currently available for the few privileged "Keepers of the Archives" available to everyone else in the Community, AND making studying, learning and doing the practices (all the practices) possible for many more people.

Certainly, a system of "transmission" and "permissions" needs to be worked out. All of this is up to Rinpoche - if he wants to do this.

Dharma is not pizza - to be sold in slices only to those who can afford to buy. Dharma is the potential for realization in the hearts of everyone. :buddha1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-buR1TMhvKo

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Secondary Practice List of the Dzogchen Community

25 spaces of Samantabhadra [aka thos grol/25 Thigle/25 Longchens] (Changchub Dorje terma)
30 Nyingtams (Longchenpa)
7 Semdzins [sems 'dzin]
7 Statements Main Points of Shri Singha
9 Purification Breathings [rlung ro bsal ba]
Amitayus Long-Life Practice (Nyagla Pema Dundul terma)
Ati Dzogchen Tregchod (Changchub Dorje terma)
Avalokiteshvara Korwa Tongtrug [spyan ras gzigs] (Adzom Drukpa terma)
Base, Path and Fruit of the Dzogchen Longchen Nyingthig
Bepa'i Gumchung Experiential instructions (Buddhagupta)
Black Manjushri
Black Garuda
Chang Chog - Ritual of purification for the deceased
Chikha Bardos [Bardo of the Moment of death]
Chö [gcod] (Machig Labdron/Jigme Lingpa terma)
Choszhi Rinchen Trengwa (Longchenpa)
Dark-Blue Garuda (Changchub Dorje terma from the cycle of Lama Zabdon's Khyung-nag)
Dorje Drolod (Adzom Drugpa terma)
Dorje Lü [rdo rje'i glu; Song of Vajra (found in the bi ma snying thig/Tantra of the Union of the Sun and Moon ___(nyi zla kha sbyor)]
Dorjei Kotrab [Vajra Armor Healing Mantra] (Dorje Lingpa terma)
Dorje Yudronma The Longsal Diviantion of
Dragphur [guru drag phur; aka Guru Dragpo Kila]
Dzogchen Desum [3 Classes of the Great Perfection]
Dzogchen Medjung, The Marvelous state
Dzogchen Nallug [rdzogs chen rnal lugs]
Dzogchen Padma Nyingthig
Essential Teaching on Vimalamitra light of Dharma
Garab Dorje Guru Yoga of the white A
Ganapuja [thun tshog]
Gomadevi [short & long version]
Green Tara [Adzom Drugpa terma (Invocation by ChNN)]
Guardian Practice
Introduction to the real essence of the Dzogchen Teachings of Garab Dorje
Jangchub Semgom [The Instruction of Primordial State]
Khading Shoklap
Khorde Rüshan ['khor 'das ru shan]
Khyung Chen Dingwa [khyung chen lding ba; The Flight of the Garuda]
Kumar Kumari Yantra Yoga for Children
Kunje Gyalpo [kun byed rgyal po'i rgyud]
Kuntu Zangpo Mönlam [kun bzang smon lam; Invocation of Samatabhadra] (Gödem Chen terma from Kunye massage
Gongpa ___Zangthal Gyi Gyü)
Kyechi Bardo [Bardo of the life time]
Lam Zhi Dras (Changchub Dorje terma)
Lama Zabdon Nyingthig (Chanchub Dorje terma)
Lhalung Sangdag (Heka Lingpa terma)
Longde
Long life Practice and Chüdlen of Nyagla Pema Dündul, Amitayus
Long life of Guru Rinpoche
Longsal Root Empowerment
Longsal: Actions of the Guru Jñanadakini [bla ma ye shes mkha' 'gro'i phrin las rgya]
Longsal: Bardo Instructions Sealed with the HUM [bar do'i gdams pa hum gi rgya can]
Longsal: Direct Introduction to the Principle of the Mirror of Vajrasattva [rdor sems me long gi dgongs pa ngo ___sprod]
Longsal: Essence of the Heart of Guru Jnanadhakkini (Lama Yeshes Khadro'i Thugthig)
Longsal: King of Space [nam mkha'i rgyal po]
Longsal: Main Points of the View Totally Beyond the Conceptual Mind [lta ba blo 'das chen po'i gnad byang]
Longsal: Most Important Point of the Lama Gongdü [bla ma dgongs 'dus kyi gnad gzer]
Longsal: Most Important Points on the View, Meditation, Behavior, and Fruit [lta sgom spyod 'bras kyi gnad gzer ___aka A ti'i gnad gzer man ngag]
Longsal: Opening of the Gate to the State of Ati [a ti'i dgongs pa sgo 'byed]
Longsal: Outer, Inner, and Secret Practices of the Guru Wisdom Dakini [la ma ye shes mkha' 'gro ma'i phyi nang ___gsang gsum las byang]
Longsal: Principle of the View Totally Beyond Conceptual Mind [lta ba blo 'das chen po'i dgongs pa]
Preliminary Practice From the Longsal Cycle
Longsal: Profound Essential Upadesha of the Long Life Practice & The Thigle of Vajra Life [tshe sgrub rdo rje'i ___srog thig gi gnad kyi man ngag zab mo]
Longsal: Purification of the Six Lokas as Preliminaries of the Path of Ati [a ti'i lam sngon rigs drug gnas sbyong ___aka A ti'i lam gnad sngon 'gro]
Longsal: Root Upadesha on the Vajra Bridge of Longde/Ngondzog Gyalpo [klong sde rdo rje zam pa'i man ngag ___gi rtsa ba] (May 2012)
Longsal: Tantra of the Manifestation of the Vajra Dance That Liberates the Six Classes in the Six Spaces [klong ___drug 'gro ba drug grol gyi rdo rje'i gar rgya rnam par bkod pa'i rgyud]
Longsal: Thigle of Vajra Life, Longevity Practice of the Immortal Dakini ['chi med mkha' 'gro'i tshe sgrub rdo rje ___srog thig rgya]
Longsal: Upadesha for the Self-Liberation of the Six Lokas [rgyud drug rang grol gyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha of Introduction to the State of Ati [a ti'i dgongs pa ngo sprod kyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha of the Oral Transmission of Thangtong Gyalpo [thang rgyal snyan rgyud kyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha on All-Penetrating Wisdom [ye shes zang thal gyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha on the Guruyoga of the White A [a dkar bla ma'i rnal 'byor gyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha on the Profound Path of Illusory Body [zab lam sgyu lus kyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha on the Thögal of Self-Perfected Luminous Clarity [lhun grub 'od gsal thod rgal gyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha on the Total Behavior of Equal Taste [spyod pa ro snyoms chen po'i man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha on the Tregchö of Primordial Purity [ka dag khregs chod kyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha on the Twenty-Five Spaces [klong chen nyi shu rtsa lnga'i man ngag]
Longsal: Way to Practice the Profound Path of Guru Kalachakra [bla ma dus kyi 'khor lo'i zab lam nyams su len ___tshul]
Longsal: Wish-Fulfilling Jewel, Thigle of the Mind of the Guru Wisdom Dakini [bla ma ye shes mkha' 'gro'i ___thugs thig yid bzhin nor bu]
Longsal: Yangti Yoga of Darkness [yang ti mun pa'i rnal 'byor]
Longsal: Yoga of Prana for Clarity and Emptiness [gsal stong rlung gi rnal 'byor]
Lungta [rlung rta]
Man ngag 'Odsal Nangcha (Patrul Rinpoche)
Man ngag tag drol gyud (Changchub Dorje terma)
Mandarava Tsalung
Mandarava Long-life & Chüdlen
Marme Mönlam [mar me smon lam] (Adzom Drukpa terma)
Medicine Buddha [Bhaiṣajyaguruvaidūryaprabharāja]
Medicine Terma of Rigdzin Changchub Dorje
Method of Integration from Dzogchen Upadesha root tantra Dra Thalgyur
Milam – Dream practice
Mo Divination
Naga Practice
Namkha [nam mkha]
Narag Tongtrug
Naslug Cherthong of Jigmed Lingpa [the naked condition of Dzogchen]
Nyamtrid Dzogchen Nyinthig
Nyangyud Khorva Dongtruk
Özer Chenma ['Od zer can ma; Skt: Marici]
Padma Nyingthig [pad ma snying thig]
Phowa
Precious Mala - Four Dharmas of Gampopa
Purification of the 6 Lokas (Nyagla Pema Dündul terma)
Red Garuda (Adzom Drugpa terma)
rigs-drug gnas-sbyong
Rushen
Sang [bsang mchod] (Adzom Drugpa)
Sangye Lakchang (Namchos Migyur Dorje terma)
Semde Rigpa'i Khujyug [rig pa'i khu byug; The Cuckoo of Presence]
Semde, The Four Contemplations of the
Semlung Namkhache
Semdzin
Semdzin with the Syllable Phat
Serkyem (Nub Sangye Yeshe)
Shakyamuni’s Praises to the 21 Taras
Shitro
Short Ganapuja of Jigme Lingpa
Shri Gyalpo'i Khyadchos (Patrul Rinpoche)
Simhamukha
Song of Energy
Song of the Vajra
Statements of Four Stages of Relaxation of Jnanasutra
Thos Grol. The Practice of the Twenty-five Thigles
Togal
Tregchöd - The Four Chogshag.
Tregcho teaching of Jigmed Lingpa from the Instruction "Yeshe Lama"
Tsik Sum Nedeg [tshig gsum gnad du brdeg pa; Three Statements of Garab Dorje]
Tundrin [thun 'bring; medium tun]
Tundus [thun bsdus; short tun]
Tungyas [thun rgyas; longer thun]
Union of Mahamudra and Dzogchen from the great master Arago
Vaidurya'i Chun-phyangs of Patrul Rinpoche
Vajra Armor
Vajra Breathing [rdo rje'i bzlas pa]
Vajra Dance
Vajrapani (Heka Lingpa terma)
Purification Practice of Vajrasattva and Mandala Offering
Yangti – Dark Retreat
Yeshes Zangthal and Nadzer
Zernga [gzer lnga; “Five Nails”]
Zhaldam [Advice of Khyenrab Chos-kyi Odzer]
Zhenpa Zhidral
Zhine and Lhagthong [zhi gnas; Skt: shamatha / lhag mthong; Skt: vipashyana]
Zhine related with the Longsal Ati Gongpa Ngosprod
Zhitro Khordas Rangdrol [zhi khro 'khor 'das rang grol] (Changchub Dorje terma)
Zhitro [zhi khro] (Namchö Mingyur Dorje terma)
Zhuslan [Request & Reply of Jyithing Lhamo, King Khrisong, Shelkarza Dorjetsho, Yeshe Tshogyal, Vairocana, ___Gomchens (Great Meditators) and Geshes]


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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 7:29 pm 
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asunthatneversets wrote:
The fine information posted above was a collective effort provided by the fine minds of both sönam and Mutsuk Marro from vajracakra, much obliged! I do not own the rights to this information and would like to thank both cut and paste for the integral roles they played in making the precise transfer of this information possible. May it benefit countless beings!


The information was originally posted in the Retreat Calendar of the Tsegyalgar West:
https://tsegyalgarwest.org/retreat-center/retreats-calendar/

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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 7:47 pm 
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Well so much for ever being in the CIA. Now everyone knows what I look like. :smile:
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Secondary Practice List of the Dzogchen Community

25 spaces of Samantabhadra [aka thos grol/25 Thigle/25 Longchens] (Changchub Dorje terma)
30 Nyingtams (Longchenpa)
7 Semdzins [sems 'dzin]
7 Statements Main Points of Shri Singha
9 Purification Breathings [rlung ro bsal ba]
Amitayus Long-Life Practice (Nyagla Pema Dundul terma)
Ati Dzogchen Tregchod (Changchub Dorje terma)
Avalokiteshvara Korwa Tongtrug [spyan ras gzigs] (Adzom Drukpa terma)
Base, Path and Fruit of the Dzogchen Longchen Nyingthig
Bepa'i Gumchung Experiential instructions (Buddhagupta)
Black Manjushri
Black Garuda
Chang Chog - Ritual of purification for the deceased
Chikha Bardos [Bardo of the Moment of death]
Chö [gcod] (Machig Labdron/Jigme Lingpa terma)
Choszhi Rinchen Trengwa (Longchenpa)
Dark-Blue Garuda (Changchub Dorje terma from the cycle of Lama Zabdon's Khyung-nag)
Dorje Drolod (Adzom Drugpa terma)
Dorje Lü [rdo rje'i glu; Song of Vajra (found in the bi ma snying thig/Tantra of the Union of the Sun and Moon ___(nyi zla kha sbyor)]
Dorjei Kotrab [Vajra Armor Healing Mantra] (Dorje Lingpa terma)
Dorje Yudronma The Longsal Diviantion of
Dragphur [guru drag phur; aka Guru Dragpo Kila]
Dzogchen Desum [3 Classes of the Great Perfection]
Dzogchen Medjung, The Marvelous state
Dzogchen Nallug [rdzogs chen rnal lugs]
Dzogchen Padma Nyingthig
Essential Teaching on Vimalamitra light of Dharma
Garab Dorje Guru Yoga of the white A
Ganapuja [thun tshog]
Gomadevi [short & long version]
Green Tara [Adzom Drugpa terma (Invocation by ChNN)]
Guardian Practice
Introduction to the real essence of the Dzogchen Teachings of Garab Dorje
Jangchub Semgom [The Instruction of Primordial State]
Khading Shoklap
Khorde Rüshan ['khor 'das ru shan]
Khyung Chen Dingwa [khyung chen lding ba; The Flight of the Garuda]
Kumar Kumari Yantra Yoga for Children
Kunje Gyalpo [kun byed rgyal po'i rgyud]
Kuntu Zangpo Mönlam [kun bzang smon lam; Invocation of Samatabhadra] (Gödem Chen terma from Kunye massage
Gongpa ___Zangthal Gyi Gyü)
Kyechi Bardo [Bardo of the life time]
Lam Zhi Dras (Changchub Dorje terma)
Lama Zabdon Nyingthig (Chanchub Dorje terma)
Lhalung Sangdag (Heka Lingpa terma)
Longde
Long life Practice and Chüdlen of Nyagla Pema Dündul, Amitayus
Long life of Guru Rinpoche
Longsal Root Empowerment
Longsal: Actions of the Guru Jñanadakini [bla ma ye shes mkha' 'gro'i phrin las rgya]
Longsal: Bardo Instructions Sealed with the HUM [bar do'i gdams pa hum gi rgya can]
Longsal: Direct Introduction to the Principle of the Mirror of Vajrasattva [rdor sems me long gi dgongs pa ngo ___sprod]
Longsal: Essence of the Heart of Guru Jnanadhakkini (Lama Yeshes Khadro'i Thugthig)
Longsal: King of Space [nam mkha'i rgyal po]
Longsal: Main Points of the View Totally Beyond the Conceptual Mind [lta ba blo 'das chen po'i gnad byang]
Longsal: Most Important Point of the Lama Gongdü [bla ma dgongs 'dus kyi gnad gzer]
Longsal: Most Important Points on the View, Meditation, Behavior, and Fruit [lta sgom spyod 'bras kyi gnad gzer ___aka A ti'i gnad gzer man ngag]
Longsal: Opening of the Gate to the State of Ati [a ti'i dgongs pa sgo 'byed]
Longsal: Outer, Inner, and Secret Practices of the Guru Wisdom Dakini [la ma ye shes mkha' 'gro ma'i phyi nang ___gsang gsum las byang]
Longsal: Principle of the View Totally Beyond Conceptual Mind [lta ba blo 'das chen po'i dgongs pa]
Preliminary Practice From the Longsal Cycle
Longsal: Profound Essential Upadesha of the Long Life Practice & The Thigle of Vajra Life [tshe sgrub rdo rje'i ___srog thig gi gnad kyi man ngag zab mo]
Longsal: Purification of the Six Lokas as Preliminaries of the Path of Ati [a ti'i lam sngon rigs drug gnas sbyong ___aka A ti'i lam gnad sngon 'gro]
Longsal: Root Upadesha on the Vajra Bridge of Longde/Ngondzog Gyalpo [klong sde rdo rje zam pa'i man ngag ___gi rtsa ba] (May 2012)
Longsal: Tantra of the Manifestation of the Vajra Dance That Liberates the Six Classes in the Six Spaces [klong ___drug 'gro ba drug grol gyi rdo rje'i gar rgya rnam par bkod pa'i rgyud]
Longsal: Thigle of Vajra Life, Longevity Practice of the Immortal Dakini ['chi med mkha' 'gro'i tshe sgrub rdo rje ___srog thig rgya]
Longsal: Upadesha for the Self-Liberation of the Six Lokas [rgyud drug rang grol gyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha of Introduction to the State of Ati [a ti'i dgongs pa ngo sprod kyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha of the Oral Transmission of Thangtong Gyalpo [thang rgyal snyan rgyud kyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha on All-Penetrating Wisdom [ye shes zang thal gyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha on the Guruyoga of the White A [a dkar bla ma'i rnal 'byor gyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha on the Profound Path of Illusory Body [zab lam sgyu lus kyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha on the Thögal of Self-Perfected Luminous Clarity [lhun grub 'od gsal thod rgal gyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha on the Total Behavior of Equal Taste [spyod pa ro snyoms chen po'i man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha on the Tregchö of Primordial Purity [ka dag khregs chod kyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha on the Twenty-Five Spaces [klong chen nyi shu rtsa lnga'i man ngag]
Longsal: Way to Practice the Profound Path of Guru Kalachakra [bla ma dus kyi 'khor lo'i zab lam nyams su len ___tshul]
Longsal: Wish-Fulfilling Jewel, Thigle of the Mind of the Guru Wisdom Dakini [bla ma ye shes mkha' 'gro'i ___thugs thig yid bzhin nor bu]
Longsal: Yangti Yoga of Darkness [yang ti mun pa'i rnal 'byor]
Longsal: Yoga of Prana for Clarity and Emptiness [gsal stong rlung gi rnal 'byor]
Lungta [rlung rta]
Man ngag 'Odsal Nangcha (Patrul Rinpoche)
Man ngag tag drol gyud (Changchub Dorje terma)
Mandarava Tsalung
Mandarava Long-life & Chüdlen
Marme Mönlam [mar me smon lam] (Adzom Drukpa terma)
Medicine Buddha [Bhaiṣajyaguruvaidūryaprabharāja]
Medicine Terma of Rigdzin Changchub Dorje
Method of Integration from Dzogchen Upadesha root tantra Dra Thalgyur
Milam – Dream practice
Mo Divination
Naga Practice
Namkha [nam mkha]
Narag Tongtrug
Naslug Cherthong of Jigmed Lingpa [the naked condition of Dzogchen]
Nyamtrid Dzogchen Nyinthig
Nyangyud Khorva Dongtruk
Özer Chenma ['Od zer can ma; Skt: Marici]
Padma Nyingthig [pad ma snying thig]
Phowa
Precious Mala - Four Dharmas of Gampopa
Purification of the 6 Lokas (Nyagla Pema Dündul terma)
Red Garuda (Adzom Drugpa terma)
rigs-drug gnas-sbyong
Rushen
Sang [bsang mchod] (Adzom Drugpa)
Sangye Lakchang (Namchos Migyur Dorje terma)
Semde Rigpa'i Khujyug [rig pa'i khu byug; The Cuckoo of Presence]
Semde, The Four Contemplations of the
Semlung Namkhache
Semdzin
Semdzin with the Syllable Phat
Serkyem (Nub Sangye Yeshe)
Shakyamuni’s Praises to the 21 Taras
Shitro
Short Ganapuja of Jigme Lingpa
Shri Gyalpo'i Khyadchos (Patrul Rinpoche)
Simhamukha
Song of Energy
Song of the Vajra
Statements of Four Stages of Relaxation of Jnanasutra
Thos Grol. The Practice of the Twenty-five Thigles
Togal
Tregchöd - The Four Chogshag.
Tregcho teaching of Jigmed Lingpa from the Instruction "Yeshe Lama"
Tsik Sum Nedeg [tshig gsum gnad du brdeg pa; Three Statements of Garab Dorje]
Tundrin [thun 'bring; medium tun]
Tundus [thun bsdus; short tun]
Tungyas [thun rgyas; longer thun]
Union of Mahamudra and Dzogchen from the great master Arago
Vaidurya'i Chun-phyangs of Patrul Rinpoche
Vajra Armor
Vajra Breathing [rdo rje'i bzlas pa]
Vajra Dance
Vajrapani (Heka Lingpa terma)
Purification Practice of Vajrasattva and Mandala Offering
Yangti – Dark Retreat
Yeshes Zangthal and Nadzer
Zernga [gzer lnga; “Five Nails”]
Zhaldam [Advice of Khyenrab Chos-kyi Odzer]
Zhenpa Zhidral
Zhine and Lhagthong [zhi gnas; Skt: shamatha / lhag mthong; Skt: vipashyana]
Zhine related with the Longsal Ati Gongpa Ngosprod
Zhitro Khordas Rangdrol [zhi khro 'khor 'das rang grol] (Changchub Dorje terma)
Zhitro [zhi khro] (Namchö Mingyur Dorje terma)
Zhuslan [Request & Reply of Jyithing Lhamo, King Khrisong, Shelkarza Dorjetsho, Yeshe Tshogyal, Vairocana, ___Gomchens (Great Meditators) and Geshes]


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Hello, oldbob !!!!
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About the list of the secondary practices now. Are the practices of Tregchöd, Togal and Yangti considered as secondary?
I like the new idea that you present today.

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The fine information posted above was a collective effort provided by the fine minds of both sönam and Mutsuk Marro from vajracakra, much obliged! I do not own the rights to this information and would like to thank both cut and paste for the integral roles they played in making the precise transfer of this information possible. May it benefit countless beings!


The information was originally posted in the Retreat Calendar of the Tsegyalgar West:
https://tsegyalgarwest.org/retreat-center/retreats-calendar/


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Well so much for ever being in the CIA. Now everyone knows what I look like. :smile:
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Secondary Practice List of the Dzogchen Community

25 spaces of Samantabhadra [aka thos grol/25 Thigle/25 Longchens] (Changchub Dorje terma)
30 Nyingtams (Longchenpa)
7 Semdzins [sems 'dzin]
7 Statements Main Points of Shri Singha
9 Purification Breathings [rlung ro bsal ba]
Amitayus Long-Life Practice (Nyagla Pema Dundul terma)
Ati Dzogchen Tregchod (Changchub Dorje terma)
Avalokiteshvara Korwa Tongtrug [spyan ras gzigs] (Adzom Drukpa terma)
Base, Path and Fruit of the Dzogchen Longchen Nyingthig
Bepa'i Gumchung Experiential instructions (Buddhagupta)
Black Manjushri
Black Garuda
Chang Chog - Ritual of purification for the deceased
Chikha Bardos [Bardo of the Moment of death]
Chö [gcod] (Machig Labdron/Jigme Lingpa terma)
Choszhi Rinchen Trengwa (Longchenpa)
Dark-Blue Garuda (Changchub Dorje terma from the cycle of Lama Zabdon's Khyung-nag)
Dorje Drolod (Adzom Drugpa terma)
Dorje Lü [rdo rje'i glu; Song of Vajra (found in the bi ma snying thig/Tantra of the Union of the Sun and Moon ___(nyi zla kha sbyor)]
Dorjei Kotrab [Vajra Armor Healing Mantra] (Dorje Lingpa terma)
Dorje Yudronma The Longsal Diviantion of
Dragphur [guru drag phur; aka Guru Dragpo Kila]
Dzogchen Desum [3 Classes of the Great Perfection]
Dzogchen Medjung, The Marvelous state
Dzogchen Nallug [rdzogs chen rnal lugs]
Dzogchen Padma Nyingthig
Essential Teaching on Vimalamitra light of Dharma
Garab Dorje Guru Yoga of the white A
Ganapuja [thun tshog]
Gomadevi [short & long version]
Green Tara [Adzom Drugpa terma (Invocation by ChNN)]
Guardian Practice
Introduction to the real essence of the Dzogchen Teachings of Garab Dorje
Jangchub Semgom [The Instruction of Primordial State]
Khading Shoklap
Khorde Rüshan ['khor 'das ru shan]
Khyung Chen Dingwa [khyung chen lding ba; The Flight of the Garuda]
Kumar Kumari Yantra Yoga for Children
Kunje Gyalpo [kun byed rgyal po'i rgyud]
Kuntu Zangpo Mönlam [kun bzang smon lam; Invocation of Samatabhadra] (Gödem Chen terma from Kunye massage
Gongpa ___Zangthal Gyi Gyü)
Kyechi Bardo [Bardo of the life time]
Lam Zhi Dras (Changchub Dorje terma)
Lama Zabdon Nyingthig (Chanchub Dorje terma)
Lhalung Sangdag (Heka Lingpa terma)
Longde
Long life Practice and Chüdlen of Nyagla Pema Dündul, Amitayus
Long life of Guru Rinpoche
Longsal Root Empowerment
Longsal: Actions of the Guru Jñanadakini [bla ma ye shes mkha' 'gro'i phrin las rgya]
Longsal: Bardo Instructions Sealed with the HUM [bar do'i gdams pa hum gi rgya can]
Longsal: Direct Introduction to the Principle of the Mirror of Vajrasattva [rdor sems me long gi dgongs pa ngo ___sprod]
Longsal: Essence of the Heart of Guru Jnanadhakkini (Lama Yeshes Khadro'i Thugthig)
Longsal: King of Space [nam mkha'i rgyal po]
Longsal: Main Points of the View Totally Beyond the Conceptual Mind [lta ba blo 'das chen po'i gnad byang]
Longsal: Most Important Point of the Lama Gongdü [bla ma dgongs 'dus kyi gnad gzer]
Longsal: Most Important Points on the View, Meditation, Behavior, and Fruit [lta sgom spyod 'bras kyi gnad gzer ___aka A ti'i gnad gzer man ngag]
Longsal: Opening of the Gate to the State of Ati [a ti'i dgongs pa sgo 'byed]
Longsal: Outer, Inner, and Secret Practices of the Guru Wisdom Dakini [la ma ye shes mkha' 'gro ma'i phyi nang ___gsang gsum las byang]
Longsal: Principle of the View Totally Beyond Conceptual Mind [lta ba blo 'das chen po'i dgongs pa]
Preliminary Practice From the Longsal Cycle
Longsal: Profound Essential Upadesha of the Long Life Practice & The Thigle of Vajra Life [tshe sgrub rdo rje'i ___srog thig gi gnad kyi man ngag zab mo]
Longsal: Purification of the Six Lokas as Preliminaries of the Path of Ati [a ti'i lam sngon rigs drug gnas sbyong ___aka A ti'i lam gnad sngon 'gro]
Longsal: Root Upadesha on the Vajra Bridge of Longde/Ngondzog Gyalpo [klong sde rdo rje zam pa'i man ngag ___gi rtsa ba] (May 2012)
Longsal: Tantra of the Manifestation of the Vajra Dance That Liberates the Six Classes in the Six Spaces [klong ___drug 'gro ba drug grol gyi rdo rje'i gar rgya rnam par bkod pa'i rgyud]
Longsal: Thigle of Vajra Life, Longevity Practice of the Immortal Dakini ['chi med mkha' 'gro'i tshe sgrub rdo rje ___srog thig rgya]
Longsal: Upadesha for the Self-Liberation of the Six Lokas [rgyud drug rang grol gyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha of Introduction to the State of Ati [a ti'i dgongs pa ngo sprod kyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha of the Oral Transmission of Thangtong Gyalpo [thang rgyal snyan rgyud kyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha on All-Penetrating Wisdom [ye shes zang thal gyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha on the Guruyoga of the White A [a dkar bla ma'i rnal 'byor gyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha on the Profound Path of Illusory Body [zab lam sgyu lus kyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha on the Thögal of Self-Perfected Luminous Clarity [lhun grub 'od gsal thod rgal gyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha on the Total Behavior of Equal Taste [spyod pa ro snyoms chen po'i man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha on the Tregchö of Primordial Purity [ka dag khregs chod kyi man ngag]
Longsal: Upadesha on the Twenty-Five Spaces [klong chen nyi shu rtsa lnga'i man ngag]
Longsal: Way to Practice the Profound Path of Guru Kalachakra [bla ma dus kyi 'khor lo'i zab lam nyams su len ___tshul]
Longsal: Wish-Fulfilling Jewel, Thigle of the Mind of the Guru Wisdom Dakini [bla ma ye shes mkha' 'gro'i ___thugs thig yid bzhin nor bu]
Longsal: Yangti Yoga of Darkness [yang ti mun pa'i rnal 'byor]
Longsal: Yoga of Prana for Clarity and Emptiness [gsal stong rlung gi rnal 'byor]
Lungta [rlung rta]
Man ngag 'Odsal Nangcha (Patrul Rinpoche)
Man ngag tag drol gyud (Changchub Dorje terma)
Mandarava Tsalung
Mandarava Long-life & Chüdlen
Marme Mönlam [mar me smon lam] (Adzom Drukpa terma)
Medicine Buddha [Bhaiṣajyaguruvaidūryaprabharāja]
Medicine Terma of Rigdzin Changchub Dorje
Method of Integration from Dzogchen Upadesha root tantra Dra Thalgyur
Milam – Dream practice
Mo Divination
Naga Practice
Namkha [nam mkha]
Narag Tongtrug
Naslug Cherthong of Jigmed Lingpa [the naked condition of Dzogchen]
Nyamtrid Dzogchen Nyinthig
Nyangyud Khorva Dongtruk
Özer Chenma ['Od zer can ma; Skt: Marici]
Padma Nyingthig [pad ma snying thig]
Phowa
Precious Mala - Four Dharmas of Gampopa
Purification of the 6 Lokas (Nyagla Pema Dündul terma)
Red Garuda (Adzom Drugpa terma)
rigs-drug gnas-sbyong
Rushen
Sang [bsang mchod] (Adzom Drugpa)
Sangye Lakchang (Namchos Migyur Dorje terma)
Semde Rigpa'i Khujyug [rig pa'i khu byug; The Cuckoo of Presence]
Semde, The Four Contemplations of the
Semlung Namkhache
Semdzin
Semdzin with the Syllable Phat
Serkyem (Nub Sangye Yeshe)
Shakyamuni’s Praises to the 21 Taras
Shitro
Short Ganapuja of Jigme Lingpa
Shri Gyalpo'i Khyadchos (Patrul Rinpoche)
Simhamukha
Song of Energy
Song of the Vajra
Statements of Four Stages of Relaxation of Jnanasutra
Thos Grol. The Practice of the Twenty-five Thigles
Togal
Tregchöd - The Four Chogshag.
Tregcho teaching of Jigmed Lingpa from the Instruction "Yeshe Lama"
Tsik Sum Nedeg [tshig gsum gnad du brdeg pa; Three Statements of Garab Dorje]
Tundrin [thun 'bring; medium tun]
Tundus [thun bsdus; short tun]
Tungyas [thun rgyas; longer thun]
Union of Mahamudra and Dzogchen from the great master Arago
Vaidurya'i Chun-phyangs of Patrul Rinpoche
Vajra Armor
Vajra Breathing [rdo rje'i bzlas pa]
Vajra Dance
Vajrapani (Heka Lingpa terma)
Purification Practice of Vajrasattva and Mandala Offering
Yangti – Dark Retreat
Yeshes Zangthal and Nadzer
Zernga [gzer lnga; “Five Nails”]
Zhaldam [Advice of Khyenrab Chos-kyi Odzer]
Zhenpa Zhidral
Zhine and Lhagthong [zhi gnas; Skt: shamatha / lhag mthong; Skt: vipashyana]
Zhine related with the Longsal Ati Gongpa Ngosprod
Zhitro Khordas Rangdrol [zhi khro 'khor 'das rang grol] (Changchub Dorje terma)
Zhitro [zhi khro] (Namchö Mingyur Dorje terma)
Zhuslan [Request & Reply of Jyithing Lhamo, King Khrisong, Shelkarza Dorjetsho, Yeshe Tshogyal, Vairocana, ___Gomchens (Great Meditators) and Geshes]


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Hello, oldbob 007!!!! :spy:
:rolling:

About the list of the secondary practices now. Are the practices of Tregchöd, Togal and Yangti considered as secondary?
I like the new idea that you present today.

I'm sorry.
This is absurd.
It's a list of titles, and they don't belong anywhere, because they are repeated if they present different names of the same teaching.
What does this show really?


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Hi Dronma all and All,

My 2 cents is that all practices are secondary, except Guru Yoga. My 2 cents is that any practice / activity, done with Awareness is Dzogchen, and any practice / activity, done without Awareness is not. I think the Tibetans call this "ordinary mind," or, "as it is," or, "the thing itself," "or "one taste," or, "the one point that explains all," but I am not a scholar. I am certain the scholars on the Board can answer your question better than I can, as I have only my poor memory of what my Teachers have said, to go on.

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For pawel,

Of course it is absurd to have duplicate names of the same thing.

Since the time of death is uncertain, I posted this list, as soon as I received it, without cleaning it up, so as to give a head start to those who might find it useful and valuable.

If you are a scholar, please consolidate the list, add the Wylie and send by PM or post. It is published as a "work in progress."

What the list shows is what Teachings and practices are available to you, if you are a member of the DC, and have the proper transmission and permissions.

Please remember that all of these Teachings and practices are included in the DC Media Archive in audio, audio video, and / or transcript form.

If Rinpoche will allow equal access to an indexed, and member accessible, Media Archive, and Transmission, and permissions, by dream / vision, then he will go on Teaching these precious subjects and practices, to thousands and thousands of future students, and perhaps for forever.

The huge membership will allow all the Gars and Lings to survive and also pay for all of the professional services at SSI.

This explains the significance of this list of secondary practices, and why there are absurd duplicate listings. May it be helpful to you and others.

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Hi Dronma all and All,

My 2 cents is that all practices are secondary, except Guru Yoga. My 2 cents is that any practice / activity, done with Awareness is Dzogchen, and any practice / activity, done without Awareness is not. I think the Tibetans call this "ordinary mind," or, "as it is," or, "the thing itself," "or "one taste," or, "the one point that explains all," but I am not a scholar. I am certain the scholars on the Board can answer your question better than I can, as I have only my poor memory of what my Teachers have said, to go on.

Best, ob


My understanding is that Tregchöd, Togal and Yangti are the main trunk of Dzogchen.
By practicing them we discover and we develop further the real state of Guru Yoga. Maybe Rinpoche could enlighten us more about this.
I agree with what you are saying about awareness. :smile:

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Tregchog, Togal and Yangti are the three main practice of the Dzogchen Upadesha.
They are nothing more or less than practices of Guru Yoga in the same way that the Four Yogas of the Semde
and the Four Das of the Longde are practices of Guru Yoga.


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Hello, oldbob 007!!!! :spy:
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About the list of the secondary practices now. Are the practices of Tregchöd, Togal and Yangti considered as secondary?
I like the new idea that you present today.


Referencing the base, path and result trichotomy, I've seen Malcolm refer to Tregchö as equivalent to the base, Thögal as the path, and result being one of the few forms of death. So I'd say they're a little more integral to the teaching than the other secondary practices, depends on the individual though I'm sure.


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oberon_rex wrote:
Tregchog, Togal and Yangti are the three main practice of the Dzogchen Upadesha.
They are nothing more or less than practices of Guru Yoga in the same way that the Four Yogas of the Semde
and the Four Das of the Longde are practices of Guru Yoga.


It is quite confusing to use Guru Yoga like that, better use "resting in the natural state" I think. I understand that you are responding to oldbob's statement that all practices except Guru Yoga are secondary and I agree with you that he is wrong.

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oberon_rex wrote:
Tregchog, Togal and Yangti are the three main practice of the Dzogchen Upadesha.
They are nothing more or less than practices of Guru Yoga in the same way that the Four Yogas of the Semde
and the Four Das of the Longde are practices of Guru Yoga.


It is quite confusing to use Guru Yoga like that, better use "resting in the natural state" I think. I understand that you are responding to oldbob's statement that all practices except Guru Yoga are secondary and I agree with you that he is wrong.

/magnus


Hi Magnus all and ALL,

Yes, of course it is confusing to use Guru Yoga like this and you are exactly correct to say it is better to use, "resting in the natural state." But this confusing usage is directly from ChNNR, and is specific to him. For example the Nyingmapas do not use "Guru Yoga" in this way. Guru Yoga in the Nyingmapa usage has to do specifically with visualizing Guru Rinpoche and taking the three lights. ChNNR has said over and over again, that "Guru Yoga" is the primary practice. This is his usage. I am sure that no one is saying that he is wrong, at least not here in this thread. Sorry Magnus, I was quoting ChNNR, and assumed that on this thread, that everyone would understand that.

Oberon is exactly correct in that the 3 practices of the Dzogchen Upadesha, the 4 yogas of the Semde and the 4 Das of the Longde are practices of "Guru Yoga" in the sense that they help you develop confidence in, and continue in, "resting in the natural state," but this is not ChNNRs useage. ChNNR's useage is equating "Guru Yoga" with "resting in the natural state." It appears confusing, but it is not if you consider this last point.

So in ChNNR's useage, if you do ANY practice or activity, with "awareness of resting in the natural state" it is Guru Yoga, and if you do not have this awareness, it is not. This is why he speaks of Guru Yoga as being the primary practice.

As a Dzogchen practitioner, I have the freedom and opportunity to apply ANY of the secondary practices (not just Yantra Yoga and Vajra Dance) in my spiritual practice, as I feel appropriate, as supported by transmission and permissions. For me this works very well. Others like to be directed in practice by the set practices and instructions in the SMS, and for them, this path works very well. Others like to do only Yantra Yoga and /or Vajra Dance, (the course offerings of the power people) and for them this works very well. This is why Lord Buddha taught the 84,000 (means many) different practices so that there would be something for everyone. Thank you Lord Buddha and ChNNR. :bow: :bow: :bow:

This is why, for me, having a library of practices to draw from, is very beneficial to my practice, compared to being limited to a set course of practice. Hence the huge value of a list of the secondary practices, as taught by ChNNR, supported by an index, with capsule summaries, and hyper-links to the actual Teachings, in audio, audio / video and transcript form, in the "Media Archives." Of course there needs to be the support of transmission and the permissions.

Having this huge library of practices to draw from, allows me to "work with circumstances," applying different practices, as appropriate. Perhaps we need a Dewy Decimal (organizing index) system for the secondary practices so that we can group them according to the appropriate application and circumstance. Any scholars interested in doing this?

Muni, as always, goes to the heart of the matter, beyond any questions what-so-ever.

Hope this helps.

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Hi oldbob,

Yes, you are quite right, this is how ChNNR use the word Guru Yoga. However since there are people here that don't take teachings from him it might be a good idea to communicate in a style that everyone understands.

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oldbob wrote:
This is why, for me, having a library of practices to draw from, is very beneficial to my practice, compared to being limited to a set course of practice. Hence the huge value of a list of the secondary practices, as taught by ChNNR, supported by an index, with capsule summaries, and hyper-links to the actual Teachings, in audio, audio / video and transcript form, in the "Media Archives." Of course there needs to be the support of transmission and the permissions.


About the list of practices, which I also find quite interesting to exist, I'd suggest to change the title in "Practice List of the Dzogchen Community" for avoiding several misunderstandings, especially from new people. For practitioners who follow ChNN Rinpoche's teachings for some time, it is very clear what is essential and what is secondary in Dzogchen practice.

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Thank you Rinpoche for being the wonderful wish fulfilling jewel of the Teachings.

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