Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

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Clarence wrote:
So, even once one has become sure about what Rigpa is and is just working on stabilising that knowledge, nothing "cool" will happen?
What could be cooler than that? Everything else is just bells and whistles.
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Clarence wrote: So, even once one has become sure about what Rigpa is and is just working on stabilising that knowledge, nothing "cool" will happen?
I think that is an important thing to realize then.
Something really cool does happen.
The three statements of Garab Dorje start to manifest in your experience.
Far cooler than visions of Yidams in my opinion.
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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Thank you all. That is very clear. I really appreciate all the help. It is very inspiring.
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Namdrol wrote: They are mostly being broadcast without restriction these days and if you become a member you can listen to replays.
This is key in my opinion.
Having access to the replays is incredibly valuable.
We are constantly listening to replays in my house.
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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Sorry to ask something else, but this just came up from reading the thread again.

What happens if, after practicing until death, one still hasn't recognized diddly squat? Would it not have been better to practice the gradual path? At least one has some mantra accumulations to count on in the bardo. :-)
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Clarence wrote:Sorry to ask something else, but this just came up from reading the thread again.

What happens if, after practicing until death, one still hasn't recognized diddly squat? Would it not have been better to practice the gradual path? At least one has some mantra accumulations to count on in the bardo. :-)
Rinpoche offers a ton of secondary practices.
Not to worry, mantra recitation etc. is included in the Thun.
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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this is a great little thread ...

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Clarence wrote:
What happens if, after practicing until death, one still hasn't recognized diddly squat? Would it not have been better to practice the gradual path? At least one has some mantra accumulations to count on in the bardo. :-)

If you receive Dzogchen teachings and apply them, you will have nothing to worry about at death. I guarantee it, or money back.
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To be serious I am a bit surprised at this thread. I don't think ChNN needs so much advertisement, pretty sure he wouldn't like it. I wonder why you think it is important to do it?

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heart wrote:To be serious I am a bit surprised at this thread. I don't think ChNN needs so much advertisement, pretty sure he wouldn't like it. I wonder why you think it is important to do it?

/magnus
Its not really advertising.
At this point people are sharing information and resources with those who are interested.
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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Namdrol wrote:
Clarence wrote:
What happens if, after practicing until death, one still hasn't recognized diddly squat? Would it not have been better to practice the gradual path? At least one has some mantra accumulations to count on in the bardo. :-)

If you receive Dzogchen teachings and apply them, you will have nothing to worry about at death. I guarantee it, or money back.

anyone can potential be reborn in the lower realms until you attain the patience level of the path of joining..
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tamdrin wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
Clarence wrote:
What happens if, after practicing until death, one still hasn't recognized diddly squat? Would it not have been better to practice the gradual path? At least one has some mantra accumulations to count on in the bardo. :-)

If you receive Dzogchen teachings and apply them, you will have nothing to worry about at death. I guarantee it, or money back.

anyone can potential be reborn in the lower realms until you attain the patience level of the path of joining..
That might be true in sutra, but it is not true in Dzogchen.

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oh yeah, then what does ati say about it?, lets see some convincing quotes if u don't mind
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heart wrote:To be serious I am a bit surprised at this thread. I don't think ChNN needs so much advertisement, pretty sure he wouldn't like it. I wonder why you think it is important to do it?

/magnus
Hi magnus,

This thread isn't so much an "advertisement" as much as a space where students of Namkhai Norbu can discuss practices within their community and help other members. Threads of other communities and teachers are welcome as well.
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heart wrote:To be serious I am a bit surprised at this thread. I don't think ChNN needs so much advertisement, pretty sure he wouldn't like it. I wonder why you think it is important to do it?

Nonsense, ChNN likes advertising very much. I remember when I was president of Gakyil at Tsegyalgar, I said we must advertise transmission days. People said, oh no, ChNN wont' like that. So I wrote him, and he loved the idea. After that, membership in DC exploded.
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tamdrin wrote:oh yeah, then what does ati say about it?, lets see some convincing quotes if u don't mind

I am not really into using the teachings for proving and negating.Only for clarifying what is unclear in people's minds.

If you are interested you can listen to webcasts with ChNN.
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Namdrol wrote:
tamdrin wrote:oh yeah, then what does ati say about it?, lets see some convincing quotes if u don't mind

I am not really into using the teachings for proving and negating. If you are interested you can listen to webcast with ChNN. Only for clarifying what is unclear in people's minds.
If folks are interested:
During the April 30th webcast Rinpoche explained this principle quite clearly.
The replay is still available for members.
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if you state that one can be liberated from possibility of rebirth in the lower realms other than the standard path it is realized on in sutra then I thought you could explain how this is.. It is not asking about arbitrary comparisons exactly..
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Two things always cause arguments on Tibetan Buddhist boards:

1) Talking about the special features of Dzogchen not shared in other systems.
2) Talking about Chogyal Namkhai Norbu.
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tamdrin wrote:if you state that one can be liberated from possibility of rebirth in the lower realms other than the standard path it is realized on in sutra then I thought you could explain how this is.. It is not asking about arbitrary comparisons exactly..

Yes, but it involves discussing things connected with thögal and I would rather not do this publicly. Dzogchen cosmology is one thing, this is different.
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