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Re: Bhikkhunis junior to Bhikkhus rule

Postby Zom » Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:32 am

Even if we agree that they are a later addition - this simply means nothing. Because we have an existing live historical tradition of Theravada with its existing Vinaya. So, if some so called "bhikkhunis" want to drop these garudhammas - this just proves that are not in the Theravada lineage and have nothing to do with Theravada. Nor they have something to do with Dharmaguptaka Vinaya lineage as well ,) So they simply try to create some new buddhist school. And such attemps may cause a schism in the sangha, this is very dangerous path.

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Postby pilgrim » Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:53 pm

The validity of the garudhammas is likely to be a point of debate for some time. I support the bhikkhuni order but I don't fully appreciate the resistance to the garudhammas. Samaneras of umpteen years do not seem to have a problem being junior to a day-old bhikkhu.

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Postby Zom » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:58 pm

Well, as it seems, they've existed as minimum in both in Theravada and Dharmaguptaka. That means they are at least ~2300 years old ,)
And no one can ever prove that Buddha didn't establish them. It seems likely that they were established by him, because they are very old.

What is more - the story about Ananda asking Buddha about women ordination is accepted not only by Theravada school. That means that this is true, that Buddha didn't want to establish bhikkhuni sangha. And from Vinaya we know that it was that very story when he established garudhammas.

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