Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby alpha » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:51 pm

The order is quite important.
But better to get it official from an SMS instructor
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby LolCat » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:44 am

Would it be okay to contact an intructor by email even if I am not a paying member of DC, or do I have to be one and enrolled in a course or something? I have made an aspiration to physically attend the teachings, but it hasn't really worked out till now.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby oldbob » Sun Apr 05, 2015 3:31 pm

LolCat wrote:Would it be okay to contact an intructor by email even if I am not a paying member of DC, or do I have to be one and enrolled in a course or something? I have made an aspiration to physically attend the teachings, but it hasn't really worked out till now.


Yes, it is OK to contact an instructor by mail even if you are not a member. Perhaps if it is not OK, then they should not be instructors. Maybe they will tell you you need to be a member. :smile:

http://tsegyalgar.org/theteachings/santimahasangha/

You can start with Jim Valby who is the coordinator for North America, or Sasha Pubants who is a coordinator for Europe. They can give you the latest information.

Jim and Sasha give excellent courses and sometimes these are webcast.

https://www.facebook.com/events/283696028503154/

Is an example of the subject matter of one of Jim's recent courses.

https://www.facebook.com/sasha.pubants

A recent course of Sasha's:

http://www.dzamlinggar.net/en/schedule/ ... 1-training

For those who like an intellectual explanation as a support of practice:

http://www.youblisher.com/p/893863-Dist ... -Training/

SMS is a valid Dzogchen practice cycle.

You get the transmission, get the teachings, do the practice and become enlightened. It's easy. :smile:

There are now around 1600 active followers of SMS, at all levels, world-wide, and around 140 in the US.

For those who have the good karma to be able to afford the SMS training costs for each level ($150, no discounts), perform the required karma yoga, physically attend the SMS tests and trainings with ChNNR (which are given irregularly, at various locations around the world), and give the large amounts of time and effort to fulfill the practice requirements of each stage, SMS is a valid Dzogchen path.

Now, 21 years into the program, there are 25 SMS practitioners on Level 4 (highest level achieved to date) of the 9 levels. Hurrah for SMS.

If I wanted to find an SMS teacher to follow, for advice, I would obtain the list of the 25 and write to each of them to see how they respond.

The SMS is a valid path to enlightenment and a training program for those who will be able to teach the precious Dzogchen teachings of ChNNR in the future.

It is hoped that, perhaps in the future, the SMS teachings will be more openly, and easily, available.

Perhaps, then this wonderful "short path to enlightenment" will be able to be followed by more practitioners.

Happy Easter / Passover!

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby alpha » Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:27 pm

oldbob wrote:I would obtain the list of the 25 and write to each of them to see how they respond.
Happy Easter / Passover!

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Who these people are is not public knowledge.
As far as i know none of them are instructors.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Fa Dao » Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:36 pm

other than the dates (April 8-12) I cant seem to find any more info on the upcoming Longde retreat...is it still going to be webcast? open/closed? times? etc
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Malcolm » Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:50 pm

alpha wrote:
oldbob wrote:I would obtain the list of the 25 and write to each of them to see how they respond.
Happy Easter / Passover!

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Who these people are is not public knowledge.
As far as i know none of them are instructors.


Jim, Elio, Adriano, Steve Landsberg, etc.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby oldbob » Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:25 pm

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... PsBoDsItZQ

This is an old list. How many of these are still active???
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby oldbob » Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:39 pm

alpha wrote:
oldbob wrote:I would obtain the list of the 25 and write to each of them to see how they respond.
Happy Easter / Passover!

ob


Who these people are is not public knowledge.
As far as i know none of them are instructors.



Note the new guidelines published as a Q&A at the IDC website:

http://dzogchencommunity.org/faqs/

Blue

Are there guidelines regarding whom can be invited to teach at a Dzogchen Community-organised event?

Yes, these are the guidelines: Dzogchen Community organises Teachings by Rinpoche, and courses by authorised instructors of Santi Maha Sangha, Yantra Yoga and Vajra Dance, and that is all.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby oldbob » Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:13 pm

Johnny Dangerous wrote:Here's an interesting question for you, given that guruyoga in DC seems to be basically resting in the nature of mind established in the DI...if you've already do that sort of practice outside of DC, in addition to doing DI with Rinpoche, is there anything new to adopt, or do you merely continue with your practice, sort informed by the experience of the DI? I believe there are specifics to the way it's done in DC, is it seen as important to adopt those?


Since the experiance is non-verble and totally beyond the dimension of words, how can you say anything about it: ike trying to write on water or air.

Yet if you search on Dzogchen: About 459,000 results (0.32 seconds)

Amazon: 709 results for Books :"dzogchen."

Amazing!

In great kindness, in support of Ati Guru Yoga, ChNNR has taught 120 (means a great quatity) of secondary practices in over 500 retreats.

These teachings are contained in the Media Archive of the Dzogchen Community.

34 of these are presented in:

http://shangshung.org/store/index.php?m ... cts_id=830

Ati Guru Yoga does not rely on words: not even one word. All words, are at best pointers, or symbols, for another different dimention of being - yet you can't even say that!

Then to answer your question directly:

My 2 cents:

If you have a practice that is stable 24/7/365 wtih the change of all circumstances, (including old age, sickness and death) then stay with it.

If not, try something else.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby oldbob » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:34 am

:namaste:
In the context of limitless heartfelt prayers for the long life of ChNNR, in good health and with success in all things:

if you care about the future of the Dzogchen Community, please make the effort to examine the new proposed international Statute a little.

http://dzogchencommunity.org/idc-statut ... documents/

Please click on the Statute and scroll down to "Article 9 - The Vice President."

"In the case of urgent necessity the Vice-President can exercise the powers of the International
Gakyil, upon ratification at the first meeting. The Vice-President’s powers and limits of action, in
particular with regard to extraordinary administration are established by the International Gakyil
by means of a Regulation"

and

"The Vice-President has the legal representation of the Association before third parties and in the
court for any deliberation on ordinary and extraordinary administration resolved by the
International Gakyil and has all relevant powers of signature."

Discussion: The appearance is that the Vice President, having "power of signature," which appears to be legal "Power of Attorney," could go before a "court," declare an "urgent necessity," and under "extraordinary administration", suspend the Statute, dissolve the IG, install anyone he wants to as President, perhaps give himself a big salary and additional titles (Executive Director), and / or dispose of the assets of the IDC and / or do anything else he wants to, all within the legal boundaries of the "Statute," as currently written.

http://melong.com/?p=3528

Perhaps this is a meeting which will ratify the Statute and give it permanent legal status.

While everyone should always fully support the vision of ChNNR for the future of the International Dzogchen Community, it may well be that all parties do not fully comprehend the implications of the complex legalese language of Article 9.

While the "extra ordinary" legal powers of the Vice President may not be a current issue, perhaps the risk of problems in the future could be more easily addressed now, before the Statute is ratified.

Is anyone else concerned about this?

If so, perhaps it is timely, wise and prudent that you communicate your thoughts to ChNNR, the IG:

blue@dzogchen.net

and if you are a member of the IDC to your representative to the General Meeting.

With metta and with sincere best wishes and gratitude to the International Gakyil for their hard work in creating the legal structure of the IDC,

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Simon E. » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:41 am

No, I am not concerned about this.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby treehuggingoctopus » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:52 am

alpha wrote:
oldbob wrote:I would obtain the list of the 25 and write to each of them to see how they respond.
Happy Easter / Passover!

ob


Who these people are is not public knowledge.
As far as i know none of them are instructors.


Oh, a substantial number of our SMS instructors are 4th level SMS students. Most of the senior ones are.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby ???? » Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:54 am

One word of caution

ChNN being asked about considers himself to be an incarnation replied that they do not
Something like:I dont know,some peoples say I'm tulku,maybe I'm,I dont feel like someone from past,Im ChNN
I watch this webcast when he talk about tulkus etc
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby oldbob » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:00 pm

http://webcast.dzogchen.net/

Please note that the Annual General meetings will be webcast starting at 9 AM to 1:30 PM, Tenerife time.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Paul » Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:27 pm

I am very interested in the Longsal Longde teachings that are being given soon, however I am in the middle of some other teachings going on at the same time. If I watch the retreat mainly via replay, will I still be able to practice what is being taught, or do I need to be there live for it all? Is there some part I HAVE to see live?
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Norwegian » Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:46 pm

In order to practice Longde, you must receive the empowerment of Ngondzog Gyalpo.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Paul » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:08 pm

Norwegian wrote:In order to practice Longde, you must receive the empowerment of Ngondzog Gyalpo.

How frequently is that given?
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Norwegian » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:48 pm

In every Longde retreat.

I am not entirely sure about the schedule of this retreat, as there's no information yet about whether it will be on webcast or not (if it will then it'll be closed), but the Tenerife schedule says Wednesday 9th 4-6pm will have the empowerment.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Malcolm » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:19 pm

Paul wrote:I am very interested in the Longsal Longde teachings that are being given soon, however I am in the middle of some other teachings going on at the same time. If I watch the retreat mainly via replay, will I still be able to practice what is being taught, or do I need to be there live for it all? Is there some part I HAVE to see live?


In general, replays are for being reminded, not for transmissions of lungs or even teachings.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby oldbob » Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:51 am

Malcolm wrote:
Paul wrote:I am very interested in the Longsal Longde teachings that are being given soon, however I am in the middle of some other teachings going on at the same time. If I watch the retreat mainly via replay, will I still be able to practice what is being taught, or do I need to be there live for it all? Is there some part I HAVE to see live?


In general, replays are for being reminded, not for transmissions of lungs or even teachings.


Yes, Malcolm is exactly correct in an intellectual sense. Yet I witnessed ChNNR roll his eyes up when asked if transmission could be given by recording. (He did not answer yes, or no.) So I think it depends very much on the individual and the secondary causes.

All the Lamas agree that Ven. Jigmed Lingpa took valid transmission from Ven. Longchenpa through vision, though they lived 300 Years apart.

This is very thoroughly related in, "Apparitions of the Self" - The secret autobiographies of a Tibetan Visionary, by Dr Janet Gyatso. (Thank you Janet - my old classmate at the 1965 New School transmissions of Ven. John Brzostoski.)

http://www.amazon.com/Apparitions-Self- ... 071&sr=1-4

A good read though in footnoted academic format. - Still the visions are creditably related, and you get the feeling of the validity of transmission through vision.

So - in the same way - perhaps it is possible for transmission to take place through replay.

My 2 cents:

This is not a matter of debate, but a matter of simply trying it and see if it works. If you get good results then that is the answer. If there is no transmission then try something else.

Please to remember that webcast transmission (an officially accepted means of transmission) is not / not simultaneous, but is delayed by several minutes.

My 2 cents:

Try being like Ven. Jigmed Lingpa. If it doesn't work you have nothing to lose.

[A key point is that for this to work you have to have sincere great faith, as in you have tears in your eyes and your arm hairs stand up, when you make the prayer for transmission.]

Then with great faith, perhaps transmission takes place across 300 years or upon listening / seeing a replay.

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