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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Dronma » Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:36 pm

Xango wrote:Hi,

I don't want to distract the discussion with technical issues, but this
Dronma wrote: The real problem is that there is no replay of the teaching that oldbob is talking about. :shrug:

you can also fix partially. There is the possibility to record the teaching from the webcast while running, for example with a sound recording program like Audacity (free download, easy to use). You can then later listen to the file again and again.

Of course, in this case you should at least be online at the beginning of the teaching to start the recording.

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Thank you, Xango. :smile:
But, 1) now it is too late, and 2) it is not legal, nor ethical..... ;)
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby dzogchungpa » Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:57 pm

Dronma wrote:
Xango wrote:Hi,

I don't want to distract the discussion with technical issues, but this
Dronma wrote: The real problem is that there is no replay of the teaching that oldbob is talking about. :shrug:

you can also fix partially. There is the possibility to record the teaching from the webcast while running, for example with a sound recording program like Audacity (free download, easy to use). You can then later listen to the file again and again.

Of course, in this case you should at least be online at the beginning of the teaching to start the recording.

Greetings


Thank you, Xango. :smile:
But, 1) now it is too late, and 2) it is not legal, nor ethical..... ;)


How is it not legal?
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby treehuggingoctopus » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:48 pm

It is perfectly legal.
Regarding ethics, I guess what we should do is get to know what ChNN thinks of such a solution...
It is too late for sure, though.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby simhanada » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:08 pm

treehuggingoctopus wrote:It is perfectly legal.
Regarding ethics, I guess what we should do is get to know what ChNN thinks of such a solution...
It is too late for sure, though.


I think its possible to run the risk of over regulating ourselves and also not thinking for ourselves for fear of doing something wrong. I don't see anything wrong with recording for personal use. In my local gars operating procedures for retreats there was(haven't looked at it for 7 or so years) even a section at one time pointing out it was fine for people attending teachings to record a copy for themselves via portable recorders. I don't see it being any different for webcasts.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Dronma » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:47 am

treehuggingoctopus wrote:It is perfectly legal.


Why don't you ask first International Shang Shung Institute and International Dzogchen Gakyil?
I know that they keep all copyrights for all teachings material inside the Dzogchen Community.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby mañjughoṣamaṇi » Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:34 am

simhanada wrote:In my local gars operating procedures for retreats there was(haven't looked at it for 7 or so years) even a section at one time pointing out it was fine for people attending teachings to record a copy for themselves via portable recorders. I don't see it being any different for webcasts.


This is how things have always been to my knowledge. It is what I was told when I first joined the community as well.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby treehuggingoctopus » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:40 am

@Dronma:

I won't ask because I don't record anything, as simple as that.
If you record a webcast for strictly personal use, you're certainly not breaking any laws, though.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Sherab Dorje » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:42 am

Dronma wrote:2) it is not legal, nor ethical..... ;)
It seems to me that there is neither an ethical nor a legal issue involved if the recordings are made for personal use. Of course a recording renders the wangs and lungs. Neither do I believe there is a legal or ethical issue involved for the closed webcasts, again though, if the recording is made strictly for personal use...

Anyway, considering some of the bizzare hours that the webcasts are made, or due to a students personal and professional responsibilities, do you think it is better for them to miss out on a teaching or to record it and watch it at a later hour?

As for copyright, that only applies if you try to sell the recordings or claim them as you own.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Clarence » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:48 am

I think it is best to do what the Guru says to do. No recordings means no recordings.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Sherab Dorje » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:50 am

And where exactly does "the Guru" say "No recordings!"?
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby simhanada » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:11 am

gregkavarnos wrote:And where exactly does "the Guru" say "No recordings!"?


Exactly, and why would he? It makes no sense. Rinpoche shouldn't have to micromanage all our collective neurosis. Sometimes we should just use our common sense and get on with things.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Clarence » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:40 pm

Guess I misread something. Would have sworn someone said he said no recordings.
BTW, there are Lamas who prohibit any recording so I wouldnt judge too fast.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Sherab Dorje » Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:18 pm

I am not judging, I am asking for clarification. If there is a "no recordings" policy then I will have to edit some of the posts in this thread, if there is not...
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Clarence » Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:34 pm

No worries Greg. I thought Simhananda came across a little judgy.

Anyway, I hope the teachings were beneficial to all.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby DGA » Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:37 pm

I don't know if there's a no recordings policy. I do know that ChNN discourages students from discussing and especially debating the teachings in public. I've read this in his books intended for private distribution, and heard it first hand, in person. The example he often gives is of a DC student encountering a practitioner in another tradition, maybe a Gelugpa. There are likely to be differences in view and practice. Do you debate with the person to convince him or her that the DC way is better? NO. Better to keep a low profile.

I think it's worthwhile to reflect on this one. How much of what kind of chatter is useful or helpful? *particularly* among students of the same master?

I mean that as an open-ended question, not as a rhetorical one. I'd like to know what DC people in particular think on this one.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Simon E. » Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:18 pm

No chatter, of any kind, is useful in this context. I.M.O.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby simhanada » Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:29 pm

Clarence wrote:No worries Greg. I thought Simhananda came across a little judgy.


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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Sherlock » Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:30 pm

I think in some cases on this thread, there has been a little too much chatter, I myself am guilty of some of that. I think it is most important not to post any specifics of the teaching such as techniques, mantras and visualizations, even some more general teachings of our teachers, beyond that which is found in the sutras, we should try not to speak too much about in public.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Dronma » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:23 pm

treehuggingoctopus wrote:@Dronma:

I won't ask because I don't record anything, as simple as that.
If you record a webcast for strictly personal use, you're certainly not breaking any laws, though.


Thank you for the reply, treehuggingoctopus! :smile:
However, it is different what you are just saying than your previous statement: "It is perfectly legal".
Because it is not! ;)
As we can read in all materials which are related with the teachings and they are distributed inside DC:
"All rights of translation, reproduction and partial or total use in any form whatsoever are reserved in all countries" by Shang Shung Institute, of course.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Dronma » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:38 pm

gregkavarnos wrote:
Dronma wrote:2) it is not legal, nor ethical..... ;)
It seems to me that there is neither an ethical nor a legal issue involved if the recordings are made for personal use. Of course a recording renders the wangs and lungs. Neither do I believe there is a legal or ethical issue involved for the closed webcasts, again though, if the recording is made strictly for personal use...

Anyway, considering some of the bizzare hours that the webcasts are made, or due to a students personal and professional responsibilities, do you think it is better for them to miss out on a teaching or to record it and watch it at a later hour?

As for copyright, that only applies if you try to sell the recordings or claim them as you own.


Dear Greg,
first of all I am not the one who is responsible to reply in any of your questions.
As I already said, Shang Shung Institute keeps all copyrights inside DC, since the only income of SSI is by donations and by selling this teaching materials to students.
So, everybody who is interested has to ask for permission directly from SSI.
However, it is not ethical, nor legal somebody to exhort publicly other people for applying such methods.
It is simple as that.... :smile:
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