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Enochian wrote:I definitively realized my own nature ....
I was working with chakras for my OBE and astral projection practice...
Enochian wrote:I am NOT approaching Vajrayana.
My point is that I was working with chakras and OBE WAY BEFORE I EVEN HEARD OF "COMPLETION STAGE"
My second point is that I realized the nature of the mind WAY BEFORE I EVEN HEARD OF VAJRAYANA OR DZOGCHEN
Enochian wrote:Tilopa wrote:Another self realized self proclaimed enlightened master. Just what this world needs. How wonderful.
No master here. I am not going to teach you anything. I would just refer you to buddhism.
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kirtu wrote:Chakras are used in Hindu and other practices across the board. Very generally they aren't used in Buddhist Vajrayana or Mahayana.
The surprising part is: My second point is that I realized the nature of the mind WAY BEFORE I EVEN HEARD OF VAJRAYANA OR DZOGCHEN.
This is harder to believe. I think it's possible, but rare. Even so one needs a teacher afterwards, being the case. However, most who claim this simply think they got it while in fact they haven't. Not saying it's your case.
I'm not claiming I realized Dzogchen, because that is only possible with transmission.
But if you NEED transmission to realize something, that means that it is conditioned. Along with samaya vows, that is what prevents me from becoming a Dzogchen practitioner.
Enochian wrote:Getting transmission, getting a guru, getting a lineage and getting samaya vows would only make me more conditioned.
It would take me AWAY from enlightenment.