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garudha wrote:1. The infinite oneness that I remember as being far more real than ordinary existence; How can we know that this isn't just the true nature of our individual minds, and not a shared conciousness that contains all conceptions?
garudha wrote:2. At the time of entry; after my crown chakra opened, it felt like I was shot as "straight as a steel bolt" from the top of my head into space. My question is this... (a) Did I actually go anywhere or was just a trick sensation ? (b) If I left my body, did my body actually exist whilst "I wasn't but oneness was" ?
garudha wrote:3. How common is it to experience this in one's lifetime, generally ?
garudha wrote:4. Let's say that I start to meditate, and knowing the route, I then enter this state again before long. Are there any dangers? -For example; might I manifest multiple bodies by mistake, or re-enter the wrong body, or even get re-birthed at the point of conception thus leaving my regular body for dust ?
garudha wrote:A million thanks for reading my rambling post and trying to help me understand this stuff(?)
wisdom wrote:The danger is generating karma in the formless realms, which will just reincarnate you there or in the abode of the Gods. It will not lead to the supreme liberation of Dzogchen.
wisdom wrote:garudha wrote:garudha wrote:2. At the time of entry; after my crown chakra opened, it felt like I was shot as "straight as a steel bolt" from the top of my head into space. My question is this... (a) Did I actually go anywhere or was just a trick sensation ? (b) If I left my body, did my body actually exist whilst "I wasn't but oneness was" ?
This doesnt sound like Rigpa of Dzogchen. One does not "Go anywhere" nor does one leave the body. However this experience still has much value spiritually, it is just not Dzogchen realization nor even perception of the true nature of mind.
Sönam wrote:As luminescent Intrinsic Awa...
jikai wrote:You suggest the sickness is a continual attempt to describe that which cannot be described. You are asking that forum users answer your questions/ advise. Is this not akin to asking that that somebody point out the moon to you, and then getting angry at the pointer and the pointing finger? Please understand I'm not looking for an argument, just trying to help.
wisdom wrote:garudha wrote:1. The infinite oneness that I remember as being far more real than ordinary existence; How can we know that this isn't just the true nature of our individual minds, and not a shared conciousness that contains all conceptions?
The Great Perfection is non-dual. Its a subtle distinction between that and infinite oneness, yet its worth noting that understanding the specific view of Dzogchen is absolutely integral to success in its practice.
The true nature of our own mind, when its realized, is seen directly to be the same as the true nature of the mind of all beings and to be connected to an even broader realm of the pure changeless Dharmadhatu. This "seeing" is only to be understood directly when abiding in the true nature of the mind and cannot otherwise be known. Dzogchen is always entirely beyond conceptualization and all explanations will fall short.
jikai wrote:I think a couple of things might be happening here. As far as I understand(I may be wrong) the thread so far: With your indulgence I'll continue with the lunar analogy. It seems that you began the thread by saying 'I saw something in the sky. This turned out to be the moon. And the Moon is X.'
Then people responded by suggesting that you 'check with an Astronomer first as it might not be the Moon you were looking at.'
I think that perhaps you might feel like this is a 'de-valuing' of what was for you a profound experience. To the contrary you might have been looking at Jupiter- and that is still viewing the universe (i.e can still be a valuable experience on the path).
In other words I think that this might be a case of 'talking past' one another.
Seishin wrote:Hi Garudha, there a couple of things that worry me here. 1; you say you have no knowledge of Buddhism and never met a Buddhist, yet you say Buddhism is sick. 2; you say you've experienced the "great perfection" yet you easily get angry and resort to personal attacks. The people who have posted so far are only trying to help.
I would also like to point out (as did Jikai) that we have rules on this forum. Please take time to read them before posting. http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.ph ... ead#unread
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