Liberation Unleashed in the POV of Dzogchen

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Re: Liberation Unleashed in the POV of Dzogchen

Postby monktastic » Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:38 am

Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche wrote:Repeatedly you hear, 'recognize mind essence; attain stability in that'. What this really means is that we should repeatedly look into what thinks. We should recognize the absence or emptiness of this thinker over and over again, until finally the power of deluded thinking weakens, until it is totally gone without a trace. At that point, what remains to prevent the state of enlightenment?


Now, I'm not going to claim that UL has any relationship with Dzogchen, because I am in no position to know. You can decide for yourself. But I am not afraid to say I benefited from it (or their book, "Gateless Gatecrashers").

Gateless Gatecrashers wrote:The truth is simple. There is no self. There never was.

If you accept this as a belief, without testing, without sincere investigation, nothing will change. You will have one more belief running in the system, creating even more conflicts than before— and although you might find them interesting at first, like all beliefs, they get old fast.

To see the truth of it, you need to look. That means you must leave all expectations, all precious opinions aside and take a fresh, honest look. Don’t look for big shining lights, or big insights. Just look for the truth. Looking is simple: hold a clear intention to finally see the truth, no matter what, watch out for distractions that the mind creates, and keep digging further. It’s not scary. It is not magic. Just start looking for yourself and answer some precise questions with honesty.
This undistracted state of ordinary mind
Is the meditation.
One will understand it in due course.

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Re: Liberation Unleashed in the POV of Dzogchen

Postby monktastic » Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:58 am

Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche wrote:Non-clinging awareness is already present the moment you recognize rigpa; it is there for everyone. Unfortunately, sentient beings do not know how to look — and they do not trust it even if they do see.


Gateless Gatecrashers wrote:Seeing through this illusion takes seconds— if you’re honest, and you know where to look. That’s what this book is about.
This undistracted state of ordinary mind
Is the meditation.
One will understand it in due course.

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Re: Liberation Unleashed in the POV of Dzogchen

Postby Sönam » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:31 am

monktastic wrote:
Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche wrote:Non-clinging awareness is already present the moment you recognize rigpa; it is there for everyone. Unfortunately, sentient beings do not know how to look — and they do not trust it even if they do see.


Gateless Gatecrashers wrote:Seeing through this illusion takes seconds— if you’re honest, and you know where to look. That’s what this book is about.


As it is presented, it seems that "this book" will never help you to realize rigpa ... mind stumbling.

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By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: Liberation Unleashed in the POV of Dzogchen

Postby heart » Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:33 am

So monktastic, now you just have to figure what is based in realization and what is just an idea. What is an original and what is a copy. :smile:

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Re: Liberation Unleashed in the POV of Dzogchen

Postby Matylda » Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:46 pm

Gateless Gate is English rendering of Mumonkan, famous koan collection.. on the other side it is sort of zen idiom. What those people write does not seem to have anything to do with zen itself, but stories are somehow reminding of some kensho - awakening relations in English literature, specially connected to Rochester zen center and Philip Kapleau or some folks relating themsleves to Yasutani Roshi...

So my guess is that some people using names and ways just created something on their own... maybe it helps somebody who knows.. But definitely it has nothing to do with zen, kensho or direct pointing at mind as it is taught in zen :)

So we can say it is neither zen nor dzogchen, but a lot of bla bla without tibetan meaning of bla :)
But since they do not claim to be zenpas or dzogchenpas I may say it could be rather harmless...
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