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 Post subject: Vajrasattva lung
PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:19 pm 
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In the Last retreat over the weekend- rimpoche gave the lung for vajrasattva. I just wanted to double check i got it right:

om a hung, om a hung

main mantra

finishing with a hung phat


Does anyone know if you need a seed syllable to transform?

Thankyou


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 Post subject: Re: Vajrasattva lung
PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:48 pm 
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Edit (disregard my previous posting):

If you don't mind my asking, are you asking in the context of general Vajrasattva Purification practice, Ati Lamgyi Ngondro/Longsal Ngondro, Shitro or Zhitro, or another practice?

Rinpoche has given Lung transmission for a few different practices with Vajrasattva....


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 Post subject: Re: Vajrasattva lung
PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:35 pm 
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The 100 syllable Vajrasattva mantra ends with " Ah Hum Phat".

Translation from Berzin Archives:
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AH – seed syllable for speech; HUM = seed syllable for mind; PHAT = stabilizing syllable.

The AH and HUM for speech and mind complete the OM at the start of the mantra for body. May all interferences to body, speech, and mind be turned away and may the purification remain stable.


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 Post subject: Re: Vajrasattva lung
PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 9:18 pm 
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The 100 syllable mantra of Vajrasattva does not start with OM A HUM and it does not end with HUM PHAT.
Neither the short Vajrasattva mantra.
I am sure there is some misunderstanding here about the mantra...
Maybe you heard some other practice which includes visualization of Vajrasattva.
We have to be very precise with transmission of practices. :namaste:

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 Post subject: Re: Vajrasattva lung
PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 9:36 pm 
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Maybe you mean Vajrapani. :smile:
But again the mantra of Vajrapani is not exactly what you are describing here .
I'd suggest to ask some experienced practitioner in your area for clarifying what was exactly the practice you are interested in.
And then look at SSI web-store for the related book.
http://www.shangshungstore.org/

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 Post subject: Re: Vajrasattva lung
PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 10:16 pm 
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jay wrote:
In the Last retreat over the weekend- rimpoche gave the lung for vajrasattva. I just wanted to double check i got it right:

om a hung, om a hung

main mantra

finishing with a hung phat


Does anyone know if you need a seed syllable to transform?

Thankyou


My 2 cents,

It is ok if you just say the main mantra. You don't need a seed syllable to transform, but no harm in using one. The seed syllable is assumed to be there.

If you are feeling feisty, you can add a couple of omahhums at the beginning, as this is a universal mantra of Guu Rinpoche that can also be used for purification (as in chod.)

If you are feeling feisty, you can add a hung phet at the end which is a kind of universal seal or conclusion to a practice. I interpret its function as a kind of "let it be so."

Please don't quote me on any of this because I just make it up as I go along. :smile: The take a way from Transmission is what functions for the individual. This is what functions for me.

Hopefully you can get the explanation from a webcast.

If you want to be exactly correct then write to ChNNR.


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 Post subject: Re: Vajrasattva lung
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 12:06 am 
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What Lung-Pa pointed out, quite wisely, is that the Vajrastattva mantra can be used in the context of many practices.

If you search on "Vajrasattva" in the SSI store, you find many references.

http://www.shangshungstore.org/index.ph ... rch_list&s[match]=all&s[search]=vajrasattva&s[title]=Y&s[short_desc]=Y&s[full_desc]=Y&s[cid]=0&s[subcats]=Y&s[mid]=0&s[sku]=&s[price_from]=&s[price_to]=&s[weight_from]=&s[weight_to]=

Hope this helps.


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