Conditioning

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Conditioning

Postby MalaBeads » Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:27 pm

This is one of those topics that i never seem to be able to learn enough about, ie how I am conditioned. When I say 'conditioned' i mean how I am predisposed to understand or interpret what is being said or what is happening. How I habitually or automatically interpret not only my own life's events but what others say and do as well. And habits are easier to become acquainted with than automatic reactions or responses.

To be fully free of ones conditioning is to be fully realized, i think.

Guru Rinpoche taught that, in this time, it would be dzogchen teachings which would most be able to help people. Dzogchen teachings are so helpful because no matter what arises, whatever conditioned response I (or you) may have, it can be self-liberated on the spot and therefore no longer have the power to further condition me (or you as the case may be).

To my understanding this is the third of the Four Noble Truths, ie the way out of suffering. The way out of that which binds us to samsara and suffering.

Anyway, i just wanted to bring up this topic of conditioning so that I (and anyone else that cares to) can look closely at how each and every moment we are conditioned by something. And how each and every moment is an opportunity to go beyond that conditioning. To let that conditioning dissolve in the space of the natural mind.

As dzogchen practitioners, thats what we are about, yes?
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Re: Conditioning

Postby heart » Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:23 am

This is the whole idea of distinguishing sem and rigpa, all our conditions are sem.

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"To reject practice by saying, 'it is conceptual!' is the path of fools. A tendency of the inexperienced and something to be avoided."
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"Even though you have recognized your essence, if you do not get accustomed to it,
You will be carried away by the enemy of thoughts, like a small child in a battle field.
So long as you are not free from the limitations of accepting and rejecting,
That long will you not recognize the view of the innermost secret heart-essence."

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Re: Conditioning

Postby MalaBeads » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:56 pm

Yes, Magnus.

Even all of our concepts are "conditioning", down to the very way we perceive the world, ie solid geometry. When you really start to look at conditioning, you see its pretty difficult to be rid of it completely.
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Re: Conditioning

Postby heart » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:40 pm

MalaBeads wrote:Yes, Magnus.

Even all of our concepts are "conditioning", down to the very way we perceive the world, ie solid geometry. When you really start to look at conditioning, you see its pretty difficult to be rid of it completely.


Yes, but perhaps we are bit to conditioned by our wish liberate ourselves from conditioning also http://www.tricycle.com/dharma-talk/letting-go

/magnus
"To reject practice by saying, 'it is conceptual!' is the path of fools. A tendency of the inexperienced and something to be avoided."
- Longchenpa

"Even though you have recognized your essence, if you do not get accustomed to it,
You will be carried away by the enemy of thoughts, like a small child in a battle field.
So long as you are not free from the limitations of accepting and rejecting,
That long will you not recognize the view of the innermost secret heart-essence."

-Longchenpa

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Re: Conditioning

Postby MalaBeads » Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:05 pm

Yes, even the teachings can become a kind of conditioning.
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Re: Conditioning

Postby Pema Rigdzin » Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:35 pm

MalaBeads wrote:Yes, even the teachings can become a kind of conditioning.


Only if we overly conceptualize them and leave them in the realm of the intellect instead of using them to go beyond the intellect. Then it's like using that huge proverbial diamond for a pillow instead of actualizing its abundant riches.


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