Is the CNN Dzogchen Comunity - a sect ?

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Is the CNN Dzogchen Comunity - a sect ?

Postby DAWN » Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:37 pm

Is the CNN Dzogchen Comunity - a sect ?

I saw one document where was established a "buisness plan" of DC with "selling of different products", establishing of shops of DC, and other buisness words writen by the son of CNN and aprouved by CNN himself. I was shoked.

It is a sect?

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Postby treehuggingoctopus » Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:45 pm

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Postby tomamundsen » Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:47 pm

It is Nyingma, from what I can tell.

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Postby heart » Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:49 pm

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Postby DAWN » Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:32 pm

I think i was shoked because, in my opinion, Dhamma is free, and can not be source of profit, and in what was said by son of Rimpoche, i saw the word "profit".

Also one question, if rDzogchen is a way of Bodhisattvas, and the aim of teching is to free all living beaings before yourself, why teachings of DC of CHHR is so secret and peoples have to pay for their liberation? Liberation is a market? As i know teching of Dzogchen, it teaches something alredy said by Buddha Gotama in DN22 Maha-satipatthana Sutta, and this teaching is free to acces.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

It's difficult to me to understand how Dhamma can be sold. :thinking:

Actualy, if there is some one who take a part in DC, can this person say me, if DC show to Comunity, how money is spend? If DC function like an association or like an enterprise ?

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Postby Caz » Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:50 pm

Dawn Dharma organisations have to pay for alot of things in order to give Dharma to people, Books have a cost, Centres have a running cost etc In order to run Dharma centres efficiently they need to be organised in an appropriate way, Dharma is always given freely to those who ask, But Dharma communities in the west do not have the support of say a Monastery in Tibet or India with the local populous providing care for them so they do need to be profitable to keep the doors open and the buildings warm.

Donations are needed to keep things going, Even Theravada institutions need money and appropriate organisation to make the communities sustainable. Without material support they would cease, It is not wrong to ask for donations or charge reasonable prices for certain events or publications. In my experience those who cannot afford to give are always provided for and never turned away even though I have no experience with the Dzogchen community it is not the workings of any sort of Buddhist to turn those away whom are poor or destitute whom seek Dharma instructions.
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Postby Johnny Dangerous » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:13 pm

I don't know anything about cNN, i've just perused a couple of sites..but it seems like a fair question to me. The organization seems to offer "something for everyone", i'm sure cNN is an amazing, realized teacher but at first glance I have had the exact same reaction the the program, extremely well-marketed, looks like lots of fees, and all kinds of programs so that for instance if you are looking for exercise programs or something similar, there ya go..covered.

Does the organization allow for teachings if one does not have money? For sure it's true that organizations must generate money, I think the sensible thing is just to ask how the money is generated, how it's used, whether there is access when one has no money etc.
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Postby Yudron » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:16 pm

Good luck paying the electrical bills without any income!

Our rural center has a bookstore, but it also has a large business renting the facility to outside groups, especially weddings. Otherwise it would have folded long ago. The lineage lamas made a decision it was better to run an unrelated business than to bring in lots of unrelated lamas to do continuous programs there. They remained focused on our main lamas who all trained under our lineage head, Dudjom Rinpoche, or his eldest son.

You need workers to run a retreat center. Workers need food, clothes, transportation, and housing, at minimum. The buildings need electricity, propane, and maintenance. These things are not free.

Monasteries in Asia are funded by major and minor donors.

If you don't have money, you talk to the center about it, and usually there are work-study arrangements.
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Postby Sherlock » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:26 pm

ChNN donates a lot to the Community himself -- he's usually the biggest contributor at the raffles at the end of retreats, most prizes from which he will just offer back to the local community, as well as to the webcasts -- most of which are offered free for anyone with an Internet connection.

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Postby treehuggingoctopus » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:28 pm

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Postby DAWN » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:31 pm

Caz, I'am not sure that CNNR will make me the transmission if i ask him.

I saw many peoples who was searching for some Dzhogchen teachings, but they was refused or invited to pay a cost of membership.
It is a true Bodhichitta? :thinking:

Also, in russian part of DC, there is one story when money of some guy was stollen by the DC. Many peoples are awere of this story.

And i still shoked. Thats why i'am asking if the DC is a teachings of Buddhas, or just some profit-organisation (sect).

If distribution of money resources into DC are shown (communicated each year) to their members - it's an association.
If distribution of money resources into DC are NOT shown (communicated each year) to their members - it's an profit-enterprise.

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Postby DGA » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:37 pm

Maybe there's a language issue at work here? I assume the word "profit" in the DC documents DAWN refers to does not carry the same meaning as "profit" in the thinking of a Rockefeller or any contemporary robber baron for that matter.

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