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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:47 pm 
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No sense of self anywhere in the body even if I know that this is my body. What I mean also is that there is absolutely no fear about the body even if of course I care about it.
There is a particular practice to get rid of this suffering coming from sensations through Thogal even if there is pain, it is painless somehow. Kind of a transfer going on.

Also the body is quite pleasant without being overwhelmed by pleasure, it is gentle wakeful natural pleasure. And finally, I feel much more light, not heavy. (increasingly I would say)

edit: By sense of self, I am not really talking about the ego but to just feel like this is your body when you feel it has been lost. Quite difficult to describe. Basically no suffering coming from sensations or almost none.


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Open Intelligence wrote:
No sense of self anywhere in the body even if I know that this is my body. What I mean also is that there is absolutely no fear about the body even if of course I care about it.
There is a particular practice to get rid of this suffering coming from sensations through Thogal even if there is pain, it is painless somehow. Kind of a transfer going on.

Also the body is quite pleasant without being overwhelmed by pleasure, it is gentle wakeful natural pleasure. And finally, I feel much more light, not heavy. (increasingly I would say)

edit: By sense of self, I am not really talking about the ego but to just feel like this is your body when you feel it has been lost. Quite difficult to describe. Basically no suffering coming from sensations or almost none.


So say someone came up to you and like slapped you silly, just because they didn't like what you were wearing or some other trivial reason, would their hand make contact with your face or not? And would anyone be there to make a sad face at them?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:09 pm 
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Open Intelligence wrote:
If you don't take me seriously, it is probable because of my humility...


You are seriously delusional. Whether this is due to your practice or some other reason I really can't say. I do know that Dzogchen masters have techniques to address the psychosis that can be brought on during dark retreats etc. Either way I suggest you seek help.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:32 pm 
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byamspa wrote:
So say someone came up to you and like slapped you silly, just because they didn't like what you were wearing or some other trivial reason, would their hand make contact with your face or not? And would anyone be there to make a sad face at them?


This is a strange question, but I like the spirit here.
I think that I get what you mean and I have also some knowledge about not be seen by others through the resolution of the body.
People can still touch me and see me yes.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:37 pm 
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Also, I would like to add there are a lot of harm going on here. I don't know if you are aware of it but you are going straight against your own practice. This is really bad what's going on here and I am not happy whatsoever.
You are harming only yourself here, I am free from such behavior, fortunately.


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Open Intelligence wrote:
Also, I would like to add there are a lot of harm going on here. I don't know if you are aware of it but you are going straight against your own practice. This is really bad what's going on here and I am not happy whatsoever.
You are harming only yourself here, I am free from such behavior, fortunately.


:popcorn: Hey pass the diet coke would you please? Thanks!

See, this claim is pretty funny and preposterous. Very good soap opera material i might add.

Why on earth would you have posted such a thing to begin with? I admit i don't get it, and am shaking my head in bemusement at what happens on the interwebs.

So tell me, can you fly or demonstrate any other siddhi?

And how does this benefit any sentient beings? Seriously, isn't *that* the point?

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Open Intelligence wrote:
Also, I would like to add there are a lot of harm going on here. I don't know if you are aware of it but you are going straight against your own practice. This is really bad what's going on here and I am not happy whatsoever.
You are harming only yourself here, I am free from such behavior, fortunately.


Your perception of harm is no one else's, your not being happy is no one else's, and yet you tell us you are free from that and somehow beyond harm - this is pure dualism.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:58 pm 
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Anders wrote:
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I find it strange that on a buddhist board, one of the worst things you can do, is to claim that buddhist methods actually works.


Ha! Indeed.

That said, I don't think there is much posters here can do except direct the OP to someone they feel might be able to help. Whether he is confused about the depth of his realisation or in fact on the brink of rainbow body, it is stuff that can only really be addressed by someone who has been there and progressed from there.

Padmasambhava knows all about it.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:01 pm 
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I will answer this for those who may benefit from it.
Being free from harm or unhappiness doesn't mean that we are not feeling them.
Well, I am increasingly not feeling these things the more times goes by. There is an unshakable stability that I call the Crown of Awareness. The moment I had this, I became free from All.

I wish you all the best and I am sad to see such behavior, my intention here is to get knowledge. That's all I want. I got what I wanted from someone, if I can have more, you are much welcome friends.


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Open Intelligence wrote:
Also, I would like to add there are a lot of harm going on here. I don't know if you are aware of it but you are going straight against your own practice. This is really bad what's going on here and I am not happy whatsoever.
You are harming only yourself here, I am free from such behavior, fortunately.


Dear Open Intelligence,

Your delusion is beyond limit.
Maybe some psychiatric help would be in order.

Smoking pot,high fever and other psychedelics can induce the belief that there is no body anymore.
And by the way .....the crown of your own awareness is missing a few jewels :techproblem:

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byamspa wrote:
:popcorn: Hey pass the diet coke would you please? Thanks!

See, this claim is pretty funny and preposterous. Very good soap opera material i might add.

Why on earth would you have posted such a thing to begin with? I admit i don't get it, and am shaking my head in bemusement at what happens on the interwebs.

So tell me, can you fly or demonstrate any other siddhi?

And how does this benefit any sentient beings? Seriously, isn't *that* the point?


You should treat people as you would like to be treated byamspa, lets just hope that when you run into difficulties in your practice those surrounding you are full of love and compassion.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:07 pm 
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I'm so humble I'm a realized Buddha.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:11 pm 
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Now, I understand that conceptual understanding of the teaching of Dzogchen can limit you greatly.
Acting from such place is dellusion. Few know the experiential meaning of Dzogchen and what humility might be.


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lowlydog wrote:
byamspa wrote:
:popcorn: Hey pass the diet coke would you please? Thanks!

See, this claim is pretty funny and preposterous. Very good soap opera material i might add.

Why on earth would you have posted such a thing to begin with? I admit i don't get it, and am shaking my head in bemusement at what happens on the interwebs.

So tell me, can you fly or demonstrate any other siddhi?

And how does this benefit any sentient beings? Seriously, isn't *that* the point?


You should treat people as you would like to be treated byamspa, lets just hope that when you run into difficulties in your practice those surrounding you are full of love and compassion.


Um, if I just posted that I attained the jalu, i would expect nothing less.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:17 pm 
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Right, that's it then. Thread locked unless somebody can come up with a really good reason as to why it should be reopened. And just to be clear, let me tell you all that: "it's amusing to poke fun at Open Intelligence" will not count a a good reason.
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