Dzogchen in English
Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:58 am
This might be a stupid question, but it is a sincere one. Is there anything like a complete, accurate presentation of Dzogchen available in English?
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That's a tough multi-layered question. Are you looking for a beginners guide to the view of Dzogchen? A manual of all the core practices? Something intellectual about the history and development of Dzogchen?dzogchungpa wrote:This might be a stupid question, but it is a sincere one. Is there anything like a complete, accurate presentation of Dzogchen available in English?
Well, I'm not really sure, but for starters let's say "yes" to all three, and whatever anyone else has to offer. Also, I didn't mean to imply that tranlsated texts were not worth reading.Yudron wrote:That's a tough multi-layered question. Are you looking for a beginners guide to the view of Dzogchen? A manual of all the core practices? Something intellectual about the history and development of Dzogchen?dzogchungpa wrote:This might be a stupid question, but it is a sincere one. Is there anything like a complete, accurate presentation of Dzogchen available in English?
All translated texts have limitations, but that does not mean they aren't worth reading.
Yes, I have read those, and I have met ChNNR. I have no doubt that they are accurate introductions, but I'm not sure that they are complete presentations.dakini_boi wrote:Probably the best 2 intro books are Dzogchen the Self Perfected State and The Crystal and the Way of Light, both by Namkhai Norbu. The great news is, if after these books you find you would like to practice Dzogchen, the author teaches frequently all around the world, and most of his teachings are broadcast freely online.
I am really fond of the Golden Letters, which contains the Three Phrases of Garab Dorje and the commentary by Patrul Rinpoche, with clarifying comments by a contemporary translator. It may be a little challenging if you are right at the beginning, but useful.dzogchungpa wrote:Well, I'm not really sure, but for starters let's say "yes" to all three, and whatever anyone else has to offer. Also, I didn't mean to imply that translated texts were not worth reading.Yudron wrote:That's a tough multi-layered question. Are you looking for a beginners guide to the view of Dzogchen? A manual of all the core practices? Something intellectual about the history and development of Dzogchen?dzogchungpa wrote:This might be a stupid question, but it is a sincere one. Is there anything like a complete, accurate presentation of Dzogchen available in English?
All translated texts have limitations, but that does not mean they aren't worth reading.
What do you mean by complete?dzogchungpa wrote:This might be a stupid question, but it is a sincere one. Is there anything like a complete, accurate presentation of Dzogchen available in English?
That sounds interesting, thanks for the heads up.Yudron wrote:There actually is a kind of huge textbook ...
Well, I don't really know. It's just that often when reading Dzogchen discussions I feel like I am missing some basic information,Malcolm wrote:What do you mean by complete?
Well, in terms of overview, Dudjom Rinpoche's book is fine. But if you are looking for details of how to practice Dzogchen, these days the emphasis is on man ngag sde, and as such, the main text most Lamas teach from is Tri Yeshe Lama. But there are a number of other texts as well.dzogchungpa wrote:Well, I don't really know. It's just that often when reading Dzogchen discussions I feel like I am missing some basic information,Malcolm wrote:What do you mean by complete?
and I was wondering if there was some systematic presentation I could consult.
I think you recently mentioned 4 of Longchenpa's treasuries in a similar context, but of those, 2 are not yet translated, and I'm not sure if you think the translations available are really accurate.
Probably not in English but it exists in French (unpublished yet though) since 1995.Malcolm wrote:The Theg mchog mdzod is the most comprehensive review of man ngag sde literature, but it is not translated as of yet, so far as I know.
That is very true. For a structural break down I think ChNN's Cryastal & the Way of Light, though not a huge book, is unmatched in it's complete scope & modern approach to subdivisions of areas within Dzogchen worldview. Then for details one can consult larger texts and/or teachers.Yudron wrote: My lama's advice is not to race through a Dzogchen text, but read a small amount a day and really digest it.
"Saraha, too, sang such a song, dancing wildly and waving his
arms, explaining that everything is "That." Saraha sang, "In the
ten directions, wherever I look, there is nothing besides this primordial
Buddha, which has no arms and no legs, is just one infinite,luminous sphere."
In the same song, Saraha sang, "Now that our work is completely
finished, we have nothing to do and time to do whatever
we want." That's the ultimate dance and song that we ourselves
need to sing. When spiritual practice is authentic, that can be your
song, your dance, and your reality-our reality.
What one needs is what we've already received, which can fit into the
palm of our hand. Please cherish it, keep it exactly where it is right now.
It is with you, whatever you aspire towards, want, and need; it is with
us, and is us. However many thousands of commentaries, scriptures,
and teachings may fill the airwaves with sound vibrations,
the essence of them all is the recognition of the true nature of one's
mind, and the practice or actualization of that.
The Christians have a big good book called the Bible, and within
the Bible there are two different Bibles, and moreover there are
libraries full of commentaries since the time when the Bible first
arose. Those two Bibles exist in Tibetan in an outdated nineteenth
century translation by some Jesuit missionaries. In Hinduism there
are the Vedas, Upanishads, the Bhagavad Gita and so on. So many
splendid scriptures and commentaries, many of which have been
translated very well into Tibetan over the last thousand years. The
Koran also has quite a few pages, and plenty of other writings
over the last thousand years are derived from that source.
And outside the religious and spiritual traditions of the world there are
so many books, philosophies, sciences, psychology, political notions,
and other interesting things to read and study and think
about, just like the infinite leaves in a wild forest.
But whether one knows all those things or not, if and when one
discovers and recognizes spontaneous innate awareness wisdom,
the true nature of all things-called Dzogpa Chenpo or innate
buddha-nature-that is the heart of the matter, which is all one
needs. That is the universal panacea, which cures all ills, resolves
all delusions and doubts, and which totally liberates and frees.
The seventeen Dzogchen tantras are like scriptures of the primordial
Buddha. The main one is called the Kunshi Gyalpo Gyu,
The Tantra of the Sovereign of all Activities. If one understands the
meaning of Dzogchen, just hearing the title of such a tantra explains
everything: that there is just one great sovereign, the master
of all activities-referring, of course, to rigpa or buddha-nature,
one's own original nature. The only import of practice is to understand,
recognize, and truly experience deeply the true nature of all things.
If you really want to study and hear about Dzogchen, there are
many writings: there is the famous enlightened trilogy by
Longchenpa, translated by Guenther as The Trilogy of Comfort and
Ease, and his other profound trilogy, the Rangdrol Korsum, as yet
untranslated; the Seven Treasures by Longchenpa; many vajra-songs
by Rigdzin Jigme Lingpa, including his exhaustive Yonten Dzod;
and many delightful writings by the enlightened turn-of-the-century
vagabond, Patrul Rinpoche, and his contemporary, Lama Mipham.
More recently, the late great Nyingma leader, H.H. Dudjom Rinpoche,
our beloved master, adorned this world with his numerous enlightened
poems, writings, and treasure-texts.
There's a whole universe of such things; we are very fortunate to
be connected to them. We are also fortunate in that we don't have to
read them all. Scriptures, teachings, and practices are not the ultimate way,
they are reflections of it. The true meaning of Dzogchen is your own
nature, not something you need to find outside. Truth is not really
found in books, it is only described in books. It is not like food,
which must be eaten and comes from outside. Dharma teachings
are not exactly like food, which can only temporarily satisfy hunger;
realizing the ultimate nature of reality within is the only truly
long-lasting fulfillment and utmost satisfaction.
Dzogchen itself is the three jewels. It is our own original nature
of body, speech, and mind: the three kayas or buddha-bodies. Let
that rest in natural great ease, carefree ease, at home and at peace
with all things. There's no need to focus one-pointedly on any
object, or to analyze and try to figure out and understand things.
Those are preliminary bases for beginners, in the light of this sort
of absolute, nondual practice. Once you have been introduced to
your true nature, and have recognized it, you can really begin to
practice Dzogchen. Therefore, remain in the innate great ease, open
to everything, aware of innate wakefulness itself, the natural state."
- from pp. 66-68: Natural Great Perfection -Nyoshul Khen Rinpoche
French is ok too. May I ask who the translator is, and if it is available?mutsuk wrote:Probably not in English but it exists in French (unpublished yet though) since 1995.Malcolm wrote:The Theg mchog mdzod is the most comprehensive review of man ngag sde literature, but it is not translated as of yet, so far as I know.
Wouldn't it be much more precious to receive the Yeshe Lama, or the Thegchog Dzod, or the like, from your wisdom lama? Do you really need to read what you are going to hear before you hear it? I think this can really prevent the pith instructions from hitting the point when the time really comes.dzogchungpa wrote:French is ok too. May I ask who the translator is, and if it is available?mutsuk wrote:Probably not in English but it exists in French (unpublished yet though) since 1995.Malcolm wrote:The Theg mchog mdzod is the most comprehensive review of man ngag sde literature, but it is not translated as of yet, so far as I know.
Are you referring to the Big Red Book (The Nyingma School of Tibetan Buddhism: Its Fundamentals and History)?Malcolm wrote:Well, in terms of overview, Dudjom Rinpoche's book is fine.dzogchungpa wrote:Well, I don't really know. It's just that often when reading Dzogchen discussions I feel like I am missing some basic information,Malcolm wrote:What do you mean by complete?
and I was wondering if there was some systematic presentation I could consult.
I think you recently mentioned 4 of Longchenpa's treasuries in a similar context, but of those, 2 are not yet translated, and I'm not sure if you think the translations available are really accurate.
A personal perspective: forgive me if it is way off the mark. I can understand the desire for a full and comprehensive account from an academic perspective; but there is a world of difference between an intellectual exposition and experiential understanding grounded in practice and experience. An intellectual grasp is liable to become an impediment from the point of view of experience: if you think that you have understood what is ineffable, whatever it is that you have understood is clearly capable of being "effed", to coin a phrase, and is way off track. It is to the real thing what iron pyrites -- fool's gold -- is to real gold at best. In the event that your interest is intellectual rather than experiential, I daresay it is a different matter.Yudron wrote:There actually is a kind of huge textbook, or encyclopedia, of the Nyingma tradition, comprised of many volumes, that is being translated mainly by Lama Ngawang Zangpo (with some parts being tackled by Gyurme Dorje). This is a 19th century publication written by Choying Topden Dorje for the benefit of the ngakpa community in Repkong. This project was initiated by Lama Tharchin Rinpoche, long ago, and will also include a new Tibetan edition ( Alak Zenkar Rinpoche is very involved in that.) It’s called the Do Gyud Dzod –the Treasury of Sutra and Tantra. It definitely will have a clear and organized thorough presentation of Dzogchen. It looks like volumes may come out one at a time like the other big Tsadra project, the Treasury of Knowledge.
The scholars tell me there really is nothing else like it. I really look forward to it.
I suppose JLA ...dzogchungpa wrote:French is ok too. May I ask who the translator is, and if it is available?mutsuk wrote:Probably not in English but it exists in French (unpublished yet though) since 1995.Malcolm wrote:The Theg mchog mdzod is the most comprehensive review of man ngag sde literature, but it is not translated as of yet, so far as I know.