Dzogchen Lineages Dzogchen Rinpoche & Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche

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Dzogchen Lineages Dzogchen Rinpoche & Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche

Postby Blue Garuda » Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:40 pm

I have received teachings and empowerments from these two masters but can't sort out lineages in my poor brain.

Dzogchen Rinpoche's website describes him like this:

''His Eminence the 7th Dzogchen Rinpoche, Jigme Losel Wangpo

His Eminence the 7th Dzogchen Rinpoche, Jigme Losel Wangpo, is one of the highest lamas in the Tibetan Buddhist tradition. He is the head of Dzogchen Monastery, one of the six major Nyingma monasteries, and the authentic holder of the Dzogchen lineage, the renowned Great Perfection or Great Completion teachings. ''

It mentions 'THE' Dzogchen lineage. Does that mean all other TB Dzogchen teachers regard him as their senior, or are there in fact other 'Dzogchen lineages' in TB or only other lineages which include some Dzogchen. Confusingly, it also mentions that his monastery is Nyingma, so maybe it means he is the authentic Dzogchen lineageholder within the Nyingma only?

He's a great teacher, btw. I didn't get the chance to clarify this last time he came to the UK.

I know Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche's immediate teachers and the Adzom Drugpa connection, but not further back.
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Postby Sönam » Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:55 pm

It's an incarnation lineage of the head of the Dzogchen Monastery, starting with Dzogchen Pema Rigdzin, in the 17th century.

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Postby Blue Garuda » Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:17 pm

Aha! This helps:

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Postby Blue Garuda » Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:20 pm

And before that:

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Postby Blue Garuda » Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:10 pm

Things are a lot clearer now. Thanks for the help, friends. :)
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Postby Norwegian » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:02 pm

Blue Garuda,

If you're interested in lineages, issues such as what is a terma and a terton, and also what is the Nyingma school, its traditions, and so on, the following books are very good to get, and one book - the big red - is a must get:

His Holiness Dudjom Rinpoche - The Nyingma School of Tibetan Buddhism: Its Fundamentals and History: http://www.amazon.com/dp/0861711998/
Tulku Thondup Rinpoche - Hidden Teachings of Tibet: An Explanation of the Terma Tradition of Tibetan Buddhism: http://www.amazon.com/dp/086171122X/
Tulku Thondup Rinpoche - Masters of Meditation and Miracles: Lives of the Great Buddhist Masters of India and Tibet: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1570625093/

Similar to the last book, but much larger, is Nyoshul Khenpo's Marvelous Garland. This one is out of stock however, but according to Tibetan Treasures, will be available again somewhere in September. This too would be a recommended book.

Do consider getting the two first books, they will help tremendously with what regards Nyingma, terma, tertons, etc.

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Postby conebeckham » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:22 pm

Just another caveat: Those charts come from a "suspect" teacher/lineage, in the first place, if I'm not mistaken. Though those portions you've posted her are pretty accurate, based on my limited knowledge, I'd be careful with anything from that site.

There's a difference between "institutional affiliation" and "practice lineage," that must be appreciated to really answer the questions raised.
Dzogchen, as a "vehicle," has many different practice lineages, stemming from many different Terma traditions. The "Mother Monasteries" of the Nyingma, which we could call the "institutional affiliations," uphold and specialize in various terma traditions, and share many terma traditions, as well--Longchen Nyingthik, Dudjom Tersar, Ratna Lingpa, etc., as noted--and, of course, the Kama Transmissions are the common inheritance of all Nyingmapas.

Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche first attended Sakya Monasteries as a young man. He was recognized, however, as the Tulku of Adzom Drugpa, also known as Tsele Natsok Rangdrol, a famous Nyingma master who was a student and teacher during the Rimay Renaissance. He was recognized as other incarnations, as well. In terms of "institutional affiliation," he transcends such distinctions. In actuality, he's created his own....and in terms of practice lineages, he's a master of all, I believe-and not merely Dzogchen Terma lineages.

The Seventh Dzogchen Rinpoche is the head of the Dzogchen Monastery, so his "institutional affiliation" should be clear. The "Khandro Nyingthik" is the heart of that monastery's practice lineage. Longchen Nyingthik is a terma cycle closely related to the "Khandro Nyingthik," and Jigme Lingpa himself founded the retreat center there. The Jangter, and in particular, the cycle of "Konchok Chidu," are also important practices at that monastery.


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