simhanada wrote:oldbob, what about the line, "if you haven't attended the teaching you shouldn't listen to the webcast" I guess being along the same lines of if you haven't had the lung(or at the least, given permission) you shouldn't be reading the text. I've extended that to webcasts for myself. If I'm not attending I wouldn't listen to the replay. Although if I had received the same teaching in the past I have no problems listening to a replay if I haven't listened to the original.
I think its worth reminding ourselves that Rinpoche and the webcast team, more than any other sangha I can think of, with maybe the exception of Ajahn Brahm's, have made the teachings widely available and accessible. There are webcasts all year round for those interested to attend, for free. You need to be able to have computer and internet access and the available time but for many people those are surmountable problems.
I wonder where we'd be if Rinpoche et al had never instigated webcasts.
Hi simhanada, all and ALL,
You are putting the issues on the table.
Yes, the free webcasts are wonderful and a huge progress in the right direction.
Of course, I think that everyone should do exactly what their Teacher says, and follow his/her instructions, exactly and precisely.
That said, I think that different people will hear different things depending on what they bring to the table / where they are in their practice.
Perhaps - from one point of view (the pointing out instruction), the Dzogchen teachings are holographic and receiving one Teaching from a Dzogchen Master IS then beyond any question of permission to receive / read listen to and practice, all the Teachings (from a Dzogchen point of view):with no question of member / non member.
Please to remember that the webcasts are NOT contemporaneous with Rinpoche's actual speech. They are delayed by many seconds. Once you understand this, then you understand that ALL of Rinpoche's webcasts are exactly of the same nature as a replay. The replays are just delayed by more time.
From the side of Dzogchen, which is beyond all limits, and certainly beyond any issue of the three times, there is absolutely no question of "permission" or any issue of this sort. Perhaps, from the side of Dzogchen, this includes all Teachings and practices.
Either you are in the natural state or you are not.
Please to remember that ALL sentient beings possess the Buddha Seed, and from the point of view of the Buddha seed, it is beyond any question of the three times, or of Samsara and Nirvana.
THIS IS CALLED EQUAL ACCESS TO THE TEACHINGS: ALL TEACHINGS.
For those who feel better respecting a relative truth viewpoint that a practice will not function, unless you have the lung, then take the lung FROM RINPOCHE'S WEBCAST, OR REPLAYS, with the understanding that all webcasts are delayed in time.
What works for one person is NOT the same as what works for another. This is why Lord Buddha taught 84,000 (symbolizes many) different teachings, so there would be something for everyone.
It remains for each of us to work out our spiritual path / enlightenment with diligence.
Go for it! Go for what you know! Take the pointing out instruction and go for what is beyond what you know or don't know.
And yes, Ajan Braham is also making progress (as in "progress" so that more people can get the benefit of the teachings.)
Perhaps he is also a great Dzogchen Master, the same as ChNNR.
Long life to the Dzogchen Masters, in good health and with success in all things.