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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:19 pm 
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Obama's Pentagon are firing missles at Libyan forces. The Nobel peace prize winner has now expanded US military action more than at anytime in US history. The democrat ministry of truth is spinning the expanded wars as humanitarian, to give the liberal left the cover it needs to present to its idealog base that
war really is peace.

pray for the Libyan people.


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No matter how much " change " was promised Non is given.
Welcome to Samsara, Now is the time more then ever for Prayers for world peace ! :buddha1:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:36 pm 
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Caz wrote:
No matter how much " change " was promised Non is given.
Welcome to Samsara, Now is the time more then ever for Prayers for world peace ! :buddha1:



i agree 100% zac,

If we look and see that GE (general electric) was one of Obama's major supporters during his presidential run, we can also see that GE is also a producer of bombs and military hardware for the pentagons military industrial complex (also Japans current Fukushimas nuclear power plant in melt down) , then blowing up innocent civillians is key for corporate wall street earnings reports and quaterly profits.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:33 am 
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Heruka wrote:
Obama's Pentagon are firing missles at Libyan forces. The Nobel peace prize winner has now expanded US military action more than at anytime in US history. The democrat ministry of truth is spinning the expanded wars as humanitarian, to give the liberal left the cover it needs to present to its idealog base that
war really is peace.

pray for the Libyan people.


Where to start...

I'm not sure what you mean by "liberal left." At least in the states, liberal and neoliberal positions are generally associated with the political right: see the Chicago School economic & foreign polices of the Bush years. "liberal left" is a boring ad hominem used to dismiss arguments before hearing them out.

I'm not convinced the terms "humanitarian war" are necessarily in conflict, as you suggest in your hyperbolic invocation of Orwell (with the implication that small-d democratic regimes practice such stuff exclusively... Again, does one need to be reminded of the Mission Accomplished rhetoric of the Bush years?) In this specific instance, the Libyan opposition has publicly requested military aid against direct assault by the Ghaddafi-led forces, in no small part mercenary forces. Ghaddafi is no Allende, Obama is no Nixon: this isn't a trumped-up war for economic gain and in favor of an Orwellian regime in the first instance, as was the 11 Sept. 1973 coup that brought a good conservative government to Chile on terms suitable to economic interests in the States and Europe.

Time will tell if this was a wise decision and wikileaks will eventually fill us in on the backstory, regardless of what we might want to speculate.

I agree, we should be praying for the Libyan people.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:55 am 
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Globalist Bill Clinton's efforts...

Bosnia

Mogadishu

iraq UN sanctions (blockade)

A blockade is a decleration of war.

Iran next?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:57 am 
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Jikan wrote:
"liberal left" is a boring ad hominem used to dismiss arguments before hearing them out.




So is the smoke screen of your comment.


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Ive never really liked politics as if people are promised change they are always deceived, Real change come from the mind inside which is why it is so important these days to train the mind, The mark of true men is being able to disscuss their problems and come to a wise resolution rather then resort to violence and be like an animal. Such a shame. :emb:

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:34 pm 
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Jikan wrote:
"liberal left" is a boring ad hominem used to dismiss arguments before hearing them out.

I'm not convinced the terms "humanitarian war" are necessarily in conflict, as you suggest in your hyperbolic invocation of Orwell (with the implication that small-d democratic regimes practice such stuff exclusively...



The war powers act, eventually congress has to decide on Obamas decision to act in the name of the american people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution

Jikan, the point is whether under Bush's neocon group in the pentagon, or Obama's neolib group in the pentagon, these are just two wings on the same bird of war.

Orwell was correct that war is the health of the state. the UN is in the business of humanitarian missions, there is big money to be made, and the US wants those contracts.

there will be blood!

i mean oil.


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Heruka wrote:
...has now expanded US military action more than at anytime in US history
How is that so? In terms of numbers? In geographical terms? In terms of pounds of explosives dropped per head of population?

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Heruka wrote:
Jikan wrote:
"liberal left" is a boring ad hominem used to dismiss arguments before hearing them out.

I'm not convinced the terms "humanitarian war" are necessarily in conflict, as you suggest in your hyperbolic invocation of Orwell (with the implication that small-d democratic regimes practice such stuff exclusively...



The war powers act, eventually congress has to decide on Obamas decision to act in the name of the american people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution

Jikan, the point is whether under Bush's neocon group in the pentagon, or Obama's neolib group in the pentagon, these are just two wings on the same bird of war.

Orwell was correct that war is the health of the state. the UN is in the business of humanitarian missions, there is big money to be made, and the US wants those contracts.

there will be blood!

i mean oil.


There no doubt liberating a people is a noble thing...but the prize is so much sweeter when theres some sticky black to be had. Chavez had better watch out ! :jumping:

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:22 pm 
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Caz wrote:
There no doubt liberating a people is a noble thing...but the prize is so much sweeter when theres some sticky black to be had. Chavez had better watch out ! :jumping:


UN mandate says that people have the right to determine their own right to freedom, it does not mean that US has to act as the military strong arm of an unelected world body such as the UN, where do you or I as a voter, have the redress to air and petion our governments who act in this way in our name?
If you say at the ballot box, i would argue that the bush and obama continuation of these unconstitutional wars is evidence enough to suggest this is not so.


BTW Bush broke the war powers act with his premptive war and illegal invasion of the sovergin nation of Iraq, and the state murder of its soverign head. Bush cannot travel abroad because there are warrents out for his arrest.

libya is a civil war, there is no fly zones over Yemen or Bharain.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:36 pm 
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Heruka wrote:
Caz wrote:
There no doubt liberating a people is a noble thing...but the prize is so much sweeter when theres some sticky black to be had. Chavez had better watch out ! :jumping:


UN mandate says that people have the right to determine their own right to freedom, it does not mean that US has to act as the military strong arm of an unelected world body such as the UN, where do you or I as a voter, have the redress to air and petion our governments who act in this way in our name?
If you say at the ballot box, i would argue that the bush and obama continuation of these unconstitutional wars is evidence enough to suggest this is not so.


BTW Bush broke the war powers act with his premptive war and illegal invasion of the sovergin nation of Iraq, and the state murder of its soverign head. Bush cannot travel abroad because there are warrents out for his arrest.

libya is a civil war, there is no fly zones over Yemen or Bharain.


Id start praying for world peace at our centres we now do Prayers for world peace every sunday...when your guru start telling you to pray for it you know the situation must be bad !
Seeking political change these days is like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic, Especially so seeing as whole government systems and parties seem to be rotten to the core and use democracy as an illusion to futher their shared goals. This is Samsara no matter how hard we think we have it now if no effort is put into the escaping this prision our future lives will become much worse ! :crying:

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As I understand it, this is a UN action. The French, British, and others are participating as well.

I'm not for war. But I'm also not for an insane despot killing civilians, and hiring thugs and using his military's might to do so, just because the people want change and are willing to take to the streets in protest.

I'm not sure how I feel about all this, as I have limited info, of course....but I'm always amused when folks say this is "Obama's" war. It's not.

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Heruka wrote:
Obama's Pentagon are firing missles at Libyan forces. The Nobel peace prize winner has now expanded US military action more than at anytime in US history. The democrat ministry of truth is spinning the expanded wars as humanitarian, to give the liberal left the cover it needs to present to its idealog base that
war really is peace.

pray for the Libyan people.



Obama is not left, and he is not liberal. He is right-wing, a neoliberal, corporate lackey who believes in fantasies like "free markets" and so on; and who suckered the Democrats and other progressive by running on a platform of progressive promises he never intended to keep.

The present wars were started not by the liberal left, but by the neo-conservative right who bullied and fear-mongered Congress into approving these wars. If you think otherwise, you are tripping.

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Heruka wrote:

Jikan, the point is whether under Bush's neocon group in the pentagon, or Obama's neolib group in the pentagon, these are just two wings on the same bird of war.


neo-con = neo-lib.

The term "neo-liberal" was coined in European discourse to describe neo-conservative policies encouraging corporate globalization.

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Namdrol wrote:
Obama is not left, and he is not liberal. He is right-wing, a neoliberal, corporate lackey who believes in fantasies like "free markets" and so on;


Speaking of which, good documentary:


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Namdrol wrote:
Heruka wrote:

Jikan, the point is whether under Bush's neocon group in the pentagon, or Obama's neolib group in the pentagon, these are just two wings on the same bird of war.


neo-con = neo-lib.

The term "neo-liberal" was coined in European discourse to describe neo-conservative policies encouraging corporate globalization.



Kristol was most definatley in the anti-stalinist camp inspired by the Trotsky ideaolog.


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Namdrol wrote:
a neoliberal, corporate lackey who believes in fantasies like "free markets" and so on; and who suckered the Democrats and other progressive by running on a platform of progressive promises he never intended to keep.



Yet demonstrates cronyism and not free market.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:02 pm 
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Namdrol wrote:

Obama is not left, and he is not liberal. He is right-wing, a neoliberal, corporate lackey who believes in fantasies like "free markets" and so on; and who suckered the Democrats and other progressive by running on a platform of progressive promises he never intended to keep.




this sounds like Soro's media matters, huffington post talking points.

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The present wars were started not by the liberal left, but by the neo-conservative right who bullied and fear-mongered Congress into approving these wars. If you think otherwise, you are tripping


actually it was Kerry and McCain pushing for intervention in Libya.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/ker ... 54754.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-0 ... risks.html




agreed though Afghanistan and Iraq were neocon wars.

But both are run out of the pentagon, as is the medias narrative which is exactly the same as before the Iraq war.


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