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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:07 pm 
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There is a mindfulness racket operating as every street hustler is proclaiming their ability to teach meditation, wallowing in their supposed divinity. They're run like a business and there's always a cost involved.
If these teachers are not awake, then what are they actually teaching others?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:46 am 
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WASW wrote:

This piece articulates quite well the ways in which I feel quite uncomfortable in the way meditation is being pushed. Meditation has obviously been a great boon to my life, but I worry that when pushed outside of an ethical and contemplative tradition to work within it ultimately becomes pretty vacuous and perhaps socially dentrimental in some ways. I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on this.


I don't have a problem with it personally. If a persons karma is going to allow them to find the "true dharma" then it will. If it doesn't, then it won't. New agey "mindfulness" isn't going to interfere with that IMO. :smile:

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:00 am 
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The Oxford MBSR course deliberately factors out any mention of a religious/ dharma aspect.
It's taught purely as a technique or 'means to an end'.
Perhaps some undertaking such a programme might 'move on' from mindfulness as a technique via further study to 'discover' Dharma related resources.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:21 am 
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All these myriad meditation teachers, what do they really know? The knowledge of your true nature does all the work. If you understand this, you do not hang out a shingle and proclaim your master status to the world.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:38 pm 
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dzogchungpa wrote:
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Overall I've come to the conclusion that mindfulness' popularity now has everything to do with our historical moment: resources are scarce, expectations are lowering, tensions are rising, it's harder to find work and hence you have to hold onto whatever crappy job you have... which means you need tactics for mitigating this new thing we call "stress."

If Thanissaro Bhikkhu is to be believed, stress has always been central to Buddhism:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/study/truths.html#first


Stress as a health ailment, or rather as a category of issues that health professionals took up a concern with, has a much shorter history. Thanissaro's use of the word "stress" to translate "dukkha" is a rather contemporary formation, no?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:43 pm 
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bob wrote:
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(Note that the category of "stress" entered public discourse at about the same time mindfulness meditation became a secularized practice in the mid-1970s. the solution emerged coincidentally with the problem.)


Actually, back in 1951 Alan Watts published The Wisdom of Insecurity: A Message for an Age of Anxiety -- a very influential and seminal work -- in which he recommended mindfulness-type methods, especially the practice of being present, as an antidote to the widespread perceived stressfulness of the times. Indeed, many writers characterized the dawn of the atomic age as a time of increasingly pervasive stressfulness, and a number of artistic productions and sociological papers took "The Age of Anxiety" as their title and theme.


Sure. The health professionals and the knowledge makers got the idea from the religious people. If you look at the early books on mindfulness by psychology people, and not just Kabat-Zinn, you'll find references to Thich Nhat Hanh & Trungpa. Think Ellen Langer here.

Even in the most sanitized & instrumentalized versions of mindfulness, it's not hard to find Buddhisty traces. It's an interesting phenomenon in that sense.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:04 am 
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Thich Nhat Hanh for sure.
Especially his ' The Miracle of Mindfulness'.

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