how to stay awake during meditation?

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how to stay awake during meditation?

Postby Frank » Tue May 22, 2012 3:30 am

tips? tricks? ideas? experience? anything helps :smile:

i do anapanasati.
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Re: how to stay awake during meditation?

Postby asunthatneversets » Tue May 22, 2012 9:40 am

Getting drowsy while meditating can happen for lots of reasons, could be a sign that you're too relaxed, finding that balance is key. If you get tired then intensify your focus, if you're too tense then ease up. Make sure you're choosing times during the day/night which are conducive for staying awake. Keep your eyes open, if you get tired then try focusing on an object and pretend you're going to pierce right through it with your gaze. If that doesn't work get up and walk around for a bit, do some stretches etc... A warm room could put you to sleep so a moderate to cool environment works best. Perhaps try to meditate away from areas you usually associate with sleep/rest.
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Re: how to stay awake during meditation?

Postby Jnana » Wed May 23, 2012 3:02 am

:good:

Also, if dullness or drowsiness are becoming a recurring problem, then noticing the mind's clarity at the beginning of a sitting period and remaining attentive to sustaining that clarity can be helpful. It can also be helpful in this regard to keep sitting periods short, and take a short break between sits. Hence the adage found in some mahāmudrā teachings, "At first, train in short sessions, repeated many times." The quality of awareness is most important.

In general, the sūtras & śāstras recommend antidotes such as attending to a perception of light (ālokasaṃjñā), or engaging in walking meditation, or reciting sūtras (either silently or out loud), etc. For example, see AN 7.58.
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Re: how to stay awake during meditation?

Postby Nemo » Wed May 23, 2012 11:58 am

Open your eyes and look slightly upwards.

If it is cold don't wrap up your upper body. Only your legs.
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Re: how to stay awake during meditation?

Postby Anders » Wed May 23, 2012 12:01 pm

Frank wrote:tips? tricks? ideas? experience? anything helps :smile:

i do anapanasati.


Depending on how long you sit and how far into the session - My trick has been to just go to sleep. I hardly sleep for more than 10 minutes anyway and it's not very deep and once I snap out of it, Imy mind is refreshed and relaxed, just the ticket for meditation really. It's a quick way of dealing with the drowsiness that can otherwise last an entire session.

If I can actually sleep through an entire session it's because I am dead tired and probably need the sleep more than the meditation.
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Re: how to stay awake during meditation?

Postby dakini_boi » Wed May 23, 2012 2:26 pm

Nemo wrote:Open your eyes and look slightly upwards.

If it is cold don't wrap up your upper body. Only your legs.



:good: Yes. Also, you can bring your focus to your third eye/crown chakra. You can breathe through there. - experience, especially the breath coming through nose and invigorating third eye area (between eyebrows)
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Re: how to stay awake during meditation?

Postby Frank » Wed May 23, 2012 9:19 pm

Anders Honore wrote:
Frank wrote:tips? tricks? ideas? experience? anything helps :smile:

i do anapanasati.


Depending on how long you sit and how far into the session - My trick has been to just go to sleep. I hardly sleep for more than 10 minutes anyway and it's not very deep and once I snap out of it, Imy mind is refreshed and relaxed, just the ticket for meditation really. It's a quick way of dealing with the drowsiness that can otherwise last an entire session.

If I can actually sleep through an entire session it's because I am dead tired and probably need the sleep more than the meditation.



i'm intrigued. what posture(s) do you use?
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Re: how to stay awake during meditation?

Postby Frank » Wed May 23, 2012 9:20 pm

dakini_boi wrote:
Nemo wrote:Open your eyes and look slightly upwards.

If it is cold don't wrap up your upper body. Only your legs.



:good: Yes. Also, you can bring your focus to your third eye/crown chakra. You can breathe through there. - experience, especially the breath coming through nose and invigorating third eye area (between eyebrows)



i love hindu meditation techniques! or is this tibetan? either way, always interesting stuff! thanks!
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Re: how to stay awake during meditation?

Postby Frank » Wed May 23, 2012 9:30 pm

I have actually tried sitting out in the cold with light clothing (50-60 degrees or so, nothing dangerous, just uncomfortable) and even though I start off cold, after twenty minutes or so I start to nod! I actually wonder if sitting in the woods at night would work or make me end up able to fall asleep anywhere, any time because I will just get used to every thing I try lol!
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Re: how to stay awake during meditation?

Postby Anders » Thu May 24, 2012 12:09 am

Frank wrote:
Anders Honore wrote:
Frank wrote:tips? tricks? ideas? experience? anything helps :smile:

i do anapanasati.


Depending on how long you sit and how far into the session - My trick has been to just go to sleep. I hardly sleep for more than 10 minutes anyway and it's not very deep and once I snap out of it, Imy mind is refreshed and relaxed, just the ticket for meditation really. It's a quick way of dealing with the drowsiness that can otherwise last an entire session.

If I can actually sleep through an entire session it's because I am dead tired and probably need the sleep more than the meditation.



i'm intrigued. what posture(s) do you use?


Lotus. Both half and full.
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Re: how to stay awake during meditation?

Postby Frank » Thu May 24, 2012 2:07 am

Anders Honore wrote:
Lotus. Both half and full.


how the hey now do you fall asleep in lotus or half? i mean i doze, but can't actually snooze.
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Re: how to stay awake during meditation?

Postby practitioner » Thu May 24, 2012 3:16 am

Frank wrote:
Anders Honore wrote:
Lotus. Both half and full.


how the hey now do you fall asleep in lotus or half? i mean i doze, but can't actually snooze.


People in three year retreat sleep like that for 3 years 3 months and 3 days in one of these... Image Not necessary full lotus but crosslegged sitting upright
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Re: how to stay awake during meditation?

Postby dakini_boi » Thu May 24, 2012 6:15 am

Frank wrote:
dakini_boi wrote:
Nemo wrote:Open your eyes and look slightly upwards.

If it is cold don't wrap up your upper body. Only your legs.



:good: Yes. Also, you can bring your focus to your third eye/crown chakra. You can breathe through there. - experience, especially the breath coming through nose and invigorating third eye area (between eyebrows)



i love hindu meditation techniques! or is this tibetan? either way, always interesting stuff! thanks!


Well, Tibetan meditation also makes use of third eye/crown chakra. Especially focusing there when there is sleepiness. I thought using the breath in this way, into the chakra, would help to integrate your anapanasati with the awareness of the chakra. So it's just a slight change from what you're doing.
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Re: how to stay awake during meditation?

Postby Frank » Thu May 24, 2012 7:24 am

dakini_boi wrote:
Well, Tibetan meditation also makes use of third eye/crown chakra. Especially focusing there when there is sleepiness. I thought using the breath in this way, into the chakra, would help to integrate your anapanasati with the awareness of the chakra. So it's just a slight change from what you're doing.


awesome, thanks!
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Re: how to stay awake during meditation?

Postby Anders » Thu May 24, 2012 8:58 am

Frank wrote:
Anders Honore wrote:
Lotus. Both half and full.


how the hey now do you fall asleep in lotus or half? i mean i doze, but can't actually snooze.


Well, the lotus is stable enough for it. All that happens is that your upper body starts to rock gently back and forth. I think it may be a question of how relaxed (and therefore stable) your lotus posture is. If your muscles aren't already fully relaxed, going to sleep where they do relax might mean that your legs start shifting or sliding, which would make tend to wake you up.
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Re: how to stay awake during meditation?

Postby maybay » Thu May 24, 2012 3:19 pm

eat less
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Remember nothing and everything
Think nothing and everything
Do nothing and everything
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Re: how to stay awake during meditation?

Postby asunthatneversets » Thu May 24, 2012 8:13 pm

Frank wrote:how the hey now do you fall asleep in lotus or half? i mean i doze, but can't actually snooze.


The more you meditate the stronger your clarity will become, the strength of your awareness will increase. If you can, try being mindful throughout the day in all activities, remain relaxed but keep a sharp attention, try not to day dream... act like you're driving a car and have to remain aware of all that's going on around you. This will cultivate your mind's clarity, in time when you go to sit your stream of awareness will be unerring and unassailable, the dullness that causes you to tire won't be an issue.
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Re: how to stay awake during meditation?

Postby Challenge23 » Thu May 24, 2012 10:01 pm

Frank wrote:tips? tricks? ideas? experience? anything helps :smile:

i do anapanasati.


Well, here is what I find works pretty well.

Short, more frequent sessions.
Proper diet(less sugar, lighter foods right before meditation).
Proper sleep schedule.
A proper exercise routine involving cardiovascular exercise ,weight training, and flexibility training.
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Re: how to stay awake during meditation?

Postby Frank » Fri May 25, 2012 12:17 am

Anders wrote:
Frank wrote:
Anders Honore wrote:
Lotus. Both half and full.


how the hey now do you fall asleep in lotus or half? i mean i doze, but can't actually snooze.


Well, the lotus is stable enough for it. All that happens is that your upper body starts to rock gently back and forth. I think it may be a question of how relaxed (and therefore stable) your lotus posture is. If your muscles aren't already fully relaxed, going to sleep where they do relax might mean that your legs start shifting or sliding, which would make tend to wake you up.


oh okay, i get it.
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Re: how to stay awake during meditation?

Postby Frank » Fri May 25, 2012 12:17 am

maybay wrote:eat less


this does help
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