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Quick question about the size of the Pali Canon

Postby zavk » Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:06 am

Hi all,

A quick question.

If I were to say, 'The Pali canon has some XXXXX suttas', what would be a reasonable estimate for xxxxx?

Hmmm... maybe I should be more precise. If I'm talking specifically about the Sutta Pitaka, what would be a good estimate for xxxxxx?

Or, if I were talking about the collection of all materials in the Tipitaka, what would be a good estimate for xxxxx?

Thanks.
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Re: Quick question about the size of the Pali Canon

Postby David N. Snyder » Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:43 am

Rough estimates, I don't know the exact number off-hand:

Sutta Pitaka: Over 10,000 suttas

entire Tipitaka: 40 volumes, about 15,000 to 20,000 pages in most translations
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Postby kc2dpt » Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:52 am

Have you tried google?
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Postby David N. Snyder » Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:58 am

Good idea. Good old google:

http://www.vipassana.com/canon/sutta.php

8,777 suttas just in the Anguttara Nikaya !
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Re: Quick question about the size of the Pali Canon

Postby zavk » Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:18 am

Thank you!

Yeah, I did Google it and got an estimate of 'over 10,000', but I thought I'd raise the question here to see if I can get a more precise estimation.
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Re: Quick question about the size of the Pali Canon

Postby mikenz66 » Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:53 am

I'm not sure if the number of Suttas is that useful a measure. "How much information is there in the Suttas?" might be more interesting.

Counting Suttas means little as far as information is concerned. Some are really short, and some really long. Also, many of the Suttas in the SN (and possibly the AN) just involve permutations of khandhas, sense bases, etc, so once you've read one you've read six, or 12, or 24, or ...

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Re: Quick question about the size of the Pali Canon

Postby zavk » Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:15 am

Hi Mike,

For sure... I'm not using the size of the canon to measure the merits of its ideas. I was just after a number so that I can use it (as a general comment of sorts) to indicate how much work has been put in to preserve the canon--to indicate the gargantuan hermeneutical undertaking involved.

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Re: Quick question about the size of the Pali Canon

Postby mikenz66 » Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:27 am

Hmm, yes, but then wouldn't the word count be more useful? You could probably download the Pali version of the Canon and do "wc" on it (wc being a standard unix/gnu command-line tool for counting words in a file or files). Then do the same with the bible... Hmm, this is sounding a bit geeky... :coffee: ... sorry...

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Re: Quick question about the size of the Pali Canon

Postby zavk » Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:35 am

Hahahaha.... yes it's a geeky suggestion. You know, now that you've mentioned it, I would really like to find out! :)

Anyway, I think the fact that there are so many different texts--each cross-referencing the other, each expanding on the other--indicates the enormity of the hermeneutical task. I think it certainly warns against a narrow reading of any one text, like the much misinterpreted Kalama Sutta for instance, as you have pointed out elsewhere.
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Re: Quick question about the size of the Pali Canon

Postby Sindre » Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:15 pm

Maybe one way to measure this is to see how many MB of space the entire cannon uses on a computer, and see how many MB the Bible uses - and then compare?


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Re: Quick question about the size of the Pali Canon

Postby mikenz66 » Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:40 pm

40 Volumes would include commentaries, wouldn't it?

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Re: Quick question about the size of the Pali Canon

Postby mikenz66 » Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:14 pm

Hmm, this just shows what a flexible thing a "volume" is. The DN and MN are 3 volumes in the orginal PTS, but they are only a few hundred pages each so they could easily be one volume each (as the modern translations are).

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Re: Quick question about the size of the Pali Canon

Postby Individual » Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:49 pm

Based on decades of research, my best estimate is - 1 widgets long, where a "widget" is a unit of measurement defined as a text of indeterminate length, or roughly 1/5th the size of Google's database.

If you were to count every grain of sand along the bank of the river Ganges, etc., etc..
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