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Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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Re: should a practicing buddhist own a gun?

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: should a practicing buddhist own a gun?

Postby Reductor » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:28 am

Geewizz, it seems that the possible use of guns in violent acts is enough to make them taboo for Buddhists. I'd like to point out this

Over broad reasoning from this case would have strange consequence. But walking's good for you, so don't worry. And in case you think it's an isolated incident, google "woman runs over husband".

As for "the manufacturer's intended use" somehow making it inproper to own or use a gun, I'd point to a counter example, like oxycontin. Oxycontin was not intended to be used for recreation like a 'hill-billy heroin,' yet that is what happened, leading to the discontinuation of that drug. Likewise, guns may be intended by manufacturers as an implement of death, but that says little of how they can be, and often are, used in the world. A gun can also be used for purely recreational purposes.
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Re: should a practicing buddhist own a gun?

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Re: should a practicing buddhist own a gun?

Postby Truth_Seeker1989 » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:42 am

Jason,

I'm sorry to hear about that. Accidents happen. Kids should never play with guns. Teens the same, without adult supervision.

There can not be any real dialogue unless people accept the fact that guns, weapons, are a necessity. I see, myself, and I could be wrong, pure pacifism. That is not what the Buddha taught. There will always be a use for them, guns. War is ever a shadow looming over every nation. And so long as it is possible for commonfolk, scum, to have them, we will need them to fight back. And even then, the question of, what about those who get them illegally? Like say in the UK.

Guns will always exist, the only change we can hope for, is proper training for their uses. To show people all other ways of self defense, so that they can exhaust all other options before being forced to use it on another life.

Guns are not going to go away so long as the world is divided by many nations.

Guns are in the hands of deviants, throughout the entire world. Fists cannot stop a bullet.

Pure and total pacifism will only lead to tyranny and oppression. And is an excuse for cowardice.

Not everyone is a Buddhist.

Islamic Terrorists are real. They do not care for peace talks, only the death of the Kafoor. I do not need to cite evidence for that. And it is not only Islamic, there are people like this everywhere. To deny the use of guns, is to deny logic.
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Everything that makes you, you, is the result of your Environment (Society, Culture, Family, Friends, Etc), Genetics/Biology (Your brain which makes the mind possible, Inborn diseases such as Down Syndrome, or even Psociopathy, etc), Thoughts (Everything you think affects your mind, and the person you are), Speech (Same as thoughts, but words affect your environment as well), Actions (Same as Speech), and the Elements (Earth, Water, Fire, Wind, Space, and Time).

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Everything that makes you, you, is the result of your Environment (Society, Culture, Family, Friends, Etc), Genetics/Biology (Your brain which makes the mind possible, Inborn diseases such as Down Syndrome, or even Psociopathy, etc), Thoughts (Everything you think affects your mind, and the person you are), Speech (Same as thoughts, but words affect your environment as well), Actions (Same as Speech), and the Elements (Earth, Water, Fire, Wind, Space, and Time).

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Re: should a practicing buddhist own a gun?

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:58 am

Hi Bodhisvasti
I will decide what I want thank-you


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: should a practicing buddhist own a gun?

Postby Viscid » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:14 am

I think there's a law of the Internet that states when any discussion about gun control arises, it always degrades into squabbling.
Regardless, my small opinion:

Sometimes the world is scary and you need to defend yourself. Generally people who own guns are responsible, and there isn't sufficient evidence to declare that gun availability is a significant factor in rates of violence and homicide. Buddhists who have taken the first precept, however, shouldn't own a gun with the intent of using it to protect themselves.
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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