Buddhism and Anarchism

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Re: Buddhism and Anarchism

Postby rowyourboat » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:43 pm

Anarchy - does it mean something destructive?

If so:

'destroy' in the suttas:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/search_r ... &q=destroy :stirthepot: :woohoo: :computerproblem:

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Re: Buddhism and Anarchism

Postby alan » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:47 am

Social contract is the basis of all society.

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Re: Buddhism and Anarchism

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Re: Buddhism and Anarchism

Postby Jason » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:28 pm

"Sabbe dhamma nalam abhinivesaya" ().

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Re: Buddhism and Anarchism

Postby AndrewRayGorman » Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:22 am

Jason seems to know what he is talking about here.

Since I have set out to explore the Dhamma further, I have also explored my set of political and economic beliefs.

Capitalism is exploitative. It rests upon one class of people exploiting the masses to earn a profit off of their labor. A good example - there is something fundamentally wrong with families in 3rd world countries having no other option but to work in sweatshops, where they are paid horribly. A worker will make around 70 cents per jacket they make, and this jacket goes on to be sold for 175 dollars.

A socialist society is far more humane. It would shorten the amount of hours a person would have to work, and they would be paid more. They will have happier lives, and be able to pursue such things like meditation much more seriously, and have far healthier relationships. Anarchism is the natural extension of socialism (Stalinism is a authoritarian perversion).

Actually, Bhikkhu Bodhi talks a good deal about his opposition to such concepts as neoliberalism and free trade in this pamphlet.
http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/facingfuture.pdf

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Re: Buddhism and Anarchism

Postby chownah » Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:28 pm

I've been thinking about posting in this thread for awhile but keep putting it off....since it's popped up again I guess I'll add something.

I think it is important generally speaking to not try to make an amalgam of the terms "Anarchy", "Anarchism", and "Anarchist". You would think that they should nicely fit together and I suppose that as pure ideals it might be possible to do so but from what I have been able to figure out it can not be done in any real way in reality.

Let's take the difficult one first..."Anarchy".....real anarchy means no rules...no one is in charge....do as you will is the full of the law. If this condition is ever achieved it is not long lived because in the real world there are always those who will take the power and install their rules....these people are everywhere and all pervasive...these people organize themselves with like minds and create fabricated ideas to justify the rule of their laws...generally speaking the mass of people today will end up supporting these people in some way or another...either by being paid off (bread and circuses) or by beind duped into believing blindly in the fabricated ideas which are circulated throughout society, taught in the schools, pervade the media, etc. As you can see, "Anarchy" exists only for fleeting moments throughout history....only until someone with a better plan/organisation steps up and takes over.....some people who strive to wield the power try to convince the masses that their rules embody "Anarchy" and this represents a higher good and so should be supported....but this is a sham....this is not "Anarchy"...this is the co-option of the term "anarchy". Anarchy is not practical and it is doubtful that it ever really exists.....

Next, "Anarchism". This is a philosophy. It holds the morals and ethics and world view of the people who call themselves "Anarchists"......it has more to do with why all the forms of gov't are bad but there is not much of a practical nature about how to make a good gov't except in philosophical terms which is what is to be expected from a philosophy.

Next, "Anarchist". This is a person. Since "Anarchy" is pretty much impossible to live with (at least the pure variety which I describe above) people who call themselves "anarachists" usually find some basis for inserting their rules into society and tend to justify these rules by claiming that they are the minimum of rules required or that they are derived from "organic" concerns and needs or some other similar set of beliefs thought to define what is essential and therefore worthy of being supported. These people disagree alot (what do you expect...they are anarchists!!!) but they do tolerate each other mostly to a high degree....but not enough to be able to coalesce into a viable political entilty usually.

Now, to the topic.....what does this have to do with Buddhism. My view is that the essential concept of "Anarchism" and the highest knowledge held by "Anarchists" is that government is empty...that all authority is empty....at the heart of pure anarchism is the knowledge that people generally are hypnotized by the concept of gov't and that anarchists see through this delusion to the understanding that all gov't and all authority is empty so if bad things are being done under the guise of "gov't" or "authority" an anarchist has no compunction to treat those institutions as having some divinely or humanly given substance that puts them beyond criticism and there is nothing requiring anyone to follow the laws of gov't or the mandates of authority....pure anarchism has little to do with Buddhism except for the fact that Anarchists see that gov't is empty of self....that authority is empty of self...etc. This does not mean that Anarchists necessarily do good things with this knowledge....some of them use it instructively and encourages them to appropriately disobey the false idols of gov't and authority when those false idols go astray....others just use it destructively and as an excuse to vent rage....and of course there are all the others inbetween.
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Re: Buddhism and Anarchism

Postby chownah » Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:29 pm

I forgot to include the conclusion....which is....the people I know who are reasonable "Anarchists" do not work to create a social condition of "Anarchy"...instead they have developed a philosophy of "Anarchism" which instructs them in seeing governments and authorities as they are...as being things that people do and ideas that people think...as being things that do not bind the spirit or body...as things that can be accepted or rejected as events warrant.
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