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Paying attention

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Re: Paying attention

Postby Cormac Brown » Sat Feb 27, 2016 11:02 pm

“I in the present who am a worthy one, rightly self-awakened, am a
teacher of action, a teacher of activity, a teacher of persistence. But the
worthless man Makkhali contradicts even me, (saying,) ‘There is no
action. There is no activity. There is no persistence.’ "
AN 3.138, trans. Ven. Thanissaro

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Re: Paying attention

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Re: Paying attention

Postby thepea » Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:17 am

It seems the Ajahn is implying that the term welcome may mean craving, and to push away as aversion. I'm not sure I would associate welcome with craving? :thinking:

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Re: Paying attention

Postby chownah » Sun Feb 28, 2016 3:26 am

In MN140 ( http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html ) it is repeated three times:
'One should not be negligent of discernment, should guard the truth, be devoted to relinquishment, and train only for calm.'
I think the ajahn is just trying to show a way to implement this suggestion....worry is not "calm" and the ajahn is showing how one can train only for calm.
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Re: Paying attention

Postby Ben » Sun Feb 28, 2016 4:48 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Paying attention

Postby thepea » Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:05 am

Unwholesome to me refers to the binding Ryan k described, wholesome is the unbinding or letting go ones grip. The ajahn uses the word "unwelcome" which is not the same as unwholesome, justt as welcome is not a good synonym for craving.

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Re: Paying attention

Postby thepea » Sun Feb 28, 2016 4:35 pm

Hi chownah. What I'm saying is that I disagree that welcome and craving are synonymous. I agree that a calm balanced equanimous mind is not creating any new cravings or aversions. But I don't see why this cannot be referred to as a welcoming mind, the type of mind required to do this delicate work.

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Re: Paying attention

Postby Cormac Brown » Sun Feb 28, 2016 5:06 pm

“I in the present who am a worthy one, rightly self-awakened, am a
teacher of action, a teacher of activity, a teacher of persistence. But the
worthless man Makkhali contradicts even me, (saying,) ‘There is no
action. There is no activity. There is no persistence.’ "
AN 3.138, trans. Ven. Thanissaro

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Re: Paying attention

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Paying attention

Postby JohnK » Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:02 am

So, before one can discern and abandon unwholesome states, one must welcome all experience.
(That reflects my not-yet-abandoned identity view -- trying to find agreement in apparent disagreement.) :smile:
"Why is it, Master Kaccana, that ascetics fight with ascetics?"
"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics" (AN 2: iv, 6, abridged).
Kindly eyes, not verbal daggers.

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