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Re: 'Black' magic

Postby Grigoris » Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:49 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: 'Black' magic

Postby M.G. » Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:09 pm

Radio utilizes measurable, well understood connecting signals.
In non-local action, the intermediary agency is not observable.

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Re: 'Black' magic

Postby Aemilius » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:49 am

"Non-local action" is a good expression, it covers such instances of magical influencing as TV-news and the like. TV-news creates a believable image of events, and this image affects the actual events and actual persons on the spot where the news-event has taken place. Magical or non-local influencing can actually change the perceivable reality. Especially, as TV-news are believed by hundred millions of people, it can change and affect reality.
Often the people, who by chance know what actually took place, become alienated from their own experience. But it depends, some people are used to the artificial or synthetic reality, and some are not. The social control usually demands that all normal and good people accept the TV-news as truth, i.e. that certain persons must give up their own experience of truth.
It is not the electromagnetic signals but peoples minds and their mental formations.
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Re: 'Black' magic

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Re: 'Black' magic

Postby Aemilius » Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:48 am

There is no complete equation, they have their own histories and their own roles in human society. If something actually works, it is natural that its principles will be applied in very different fields of life and of human existence.
There is a fundamental blindness or self-importance in buddhist tantrism, and in buddhist esotericism in the case of the nontantric schools. This basic ignorance/self-importance prevents you from seeing that it exists everywhere.
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Re: 'Black' magic

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
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Re: 'Black' magic

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

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Re: 'Black' magic

Postby Grigoris » Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:47 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
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Re: 'Black' magic

Postby M.G. » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:10 pm

@Kirt - In Tibetan Buddhism, isn't the word "siddhi" at least sometimes used to refer to magical activities accomplished through ritual? If that's not the case then I agree with your critique of Reynolds' essay.

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Re: 'Black' magic

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"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: 'Black' magic

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: 'Black' magic

Postby Aemilius » Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:54 am

The standard buddhist teaching in the Sutras and in Abhidharma is that the basis for the miraculous powers is the attainment of the fourth dhyana, and the ability to enter the fourth dhyana at will. Then if you look at the Four Rddhipada or Four Bases of Magical Power, there certainly is something that looks like concentration of will, -albeit there are very different translations of these four factors, in different sources. There is a selection of Pali sources for the Four Bases of Magical Abilities in Thanissaro Bhikkhu's Wings of Awakening. Abhidharmakosha also mentions this topic.
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