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Buddhism and Communism?

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Buddhism and Communism?

Postby clw_uk » Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:28 am

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Re: Buddhism and Communism?

Postby Individual » Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:12 am

I think that traditional Buddhism and Communism have different views on the relationship between body and mind. Early Communism (orthodox Marxism) is materialist, while Buddhism is neither materialist nor idealist. Buddhism is also misunderstood as "atheistic". It is non-theistic, since it doesn't deny the existence of gods, but simply considers them irrelevant.

I do think, however, that the early Sangha resembles some of the voluntary communes of certain forms of Marxism, such as Marxist Anarchism. Early Zen Buddhist institutions are referred to as "Chan communes," where there was a shared distribution of labor, resources, etc..

But nothing in the teachings go so far as to proscribe this for everyone; far from it, since the Buddha didn't advocate having his monks control the world, set up a certain social order, etc.. Buddhist teachings are largely unconcerned with politics and the interpretation of them in the light of politics is largely a personal preference. Communism is an ideology which proscribes that the whole world be a certain way, to rectify injustice. Early Buddhist communism was established internally simply because it was the most practical.
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Re: Buddhism and Communism?

Postby gavesako » Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:20 pm

Communism is based on marxist ideology which adopts a limited and mistaken view of Kamma, that is why the 2 are not really compatible.

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Re: Buddhism and Communism?

Postby Pannapetar » Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:13 am

I doubt that Buddhism is compatible with Marxism. Buddhism concerned with the liberation of the individual in a radical way. Marxism is concerned with liberation of the working class in a radical way. Besides, the kind of liberation that Marxism has in mind is very different from that of Buddhism.

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Re: Buddhism and Communism?

Postby Avery » Mon Aug 03, 2009 12:37 pm

Like many other left wing utopias communism supposes that everyone maintains goodwill and compassion. As long as there is attachment in the material world, communism will be a failed ideology.

Maybe the Communists in Thailand and Burma should have considered this when trying to stamp out Buddhism :tongue:

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Re: Buddhism and Communism?

Postby Jason » Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:30 pm

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Re: Buddhism and Communism?

Postby imagemarie » Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:37 pm

If I may .. a quote from "To Have Or To Be?" by Erich Fromm...

"The same principle of change that characterises the methods of the Buddha also underlies Marx's idea of salvation. In order to understand this it is necessary to be aware that for Marx, as he himself said, communism was not a final goal, but a step in the historical development that was to liberate human beings from those socioeconomic and political conditions that make people inhuman - prisoners of things, machines, and their own greed.
Marx's first step was to show the working class of his time, the most alienated and miserable class, that they suffered.He tried to destroy the illusions that tended to cover the workers' awareness of their misery. His second step was to show the causes of this suffering, which he points out are in the nature of capitalism and the character of greed and avarice and dependence that the capitalist system produces.. His third step was to demonstrate that the suffering could be removed if the conditions for suffering could be removed. In the fourth step he showed the new practice of life, the new social system that would be free of the suffering that the old system, of necessity, had to produce."

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Re: Buddhism and Communism?

Postby genkaku » Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:34 pm

Communism is a philosophy and while Buddhism is sometimes portrayed as merely philosophical (or religious) in nature, its true meaning cannot be limited by philosophy (or religion). If its true meaning could be limited, wouldn't this be an invitation to yet more disputation and posturing and war and other undesirable results ... results posing as good and meritorious, perhaps?
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Re: Buddhism and Communism?

Postby Jason » Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:01 pm

"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it" (Marx, ).
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Re: Buddhism and Communism?

Postby abhinavmosesben » Fri May 02, 2014 7:10 pm

I don't think Buddhism is compatible with Communism.
Dr.Ambedkar (Father of Indian Constitution) embraced Buddhism.
Communists use Violence while the Buddhism does not. Buddha's dhamma was democatic according to Dr.Ambedkar and it was so actually.

Read more about Communism and Buddhism according to Father of Indian Constitution Dr.Ambekdar who became a Buddhist.
:reading: Communism and Buddhism > http://www.ambedkar.org/Babasaheb/Ambed ... munism.htm :reading:

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Re: Buddhism and Communism?

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Re: Buddhism and Communism?

Postby lyndon taylor » Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:28 am

Communists in China and Russia oppressed the native buddhists just like they oppressed christians.
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Re: Buddhism and Communism?

Postby waterchan » Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:29 am

It's worth keeping in mind that there is no true communist government in existence today, and I doubt there ever was. It's one of those things that sound really good on paper but cannot be faithfully implemented in this world of greed and desire for power.
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Re: Buddhism and Communism?

Postby lyndon taylor » Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:31 am

I doubt it will be any consolation to the thousands of Tibetan monks that were locked up and tortured by the communist government that they were not "true" communists!!
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: Buddhism and Communism?

Postby waterchan » Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:35 am

Unfortunately not. Communism and socialism are ideals that will never work. There has never been a real C or S government.

And the thread of the title is comparing an incomplete political ideology against an incomplete moral philosophy. Fun in sociology and philosophy classes, but not really fruitful.
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Re: Buddhism and Communism?

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Re: Buddhism and Communism?

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Re: Buddhism and Communism?

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Re: Buddhism and Communism?

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Re: Buddhism and Communism?

Postby waterchan » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:07 am

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