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Re: is ever ok to criticize any Buddhist idea or technique?

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Postby Jhana4 » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:31 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: is ever ok to criticize any Buddhist idea or technique?

Postby Jhana4 » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:23 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Postby Jhana4 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:03 am

Try substituting "Christian" for "Buddhist" in the post before this one. If you don't feel a cold dose of terror you have blocked some of the most important history of the human race out of your awareness.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: is ever ok to criticize any Buddhist idea or technique?

Postby ground » Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:33 am

A valid way of critizing buddhist ideas or techniques is "This idea or technique does not help me, because ... therefore I reject it [in the context of my practice]." The words in square brackets are often omitted which then entails misunderstandings as to the speakers intention.
This does not say anything about the idea or technique having the potential of being helpful in the context of someone else's practice.

Problematic are the ideas "What is helpful for me must be helpful for others" and "What is not helpful for me, cannot be helpful for others." and "Because the Buddha says {so and so} it has to be {so and so}."

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Re: is ever ok to criticize any Buddhist idea or technique?

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:14 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: is ever ok to criticize any Buddhist idea or technique?

Postby Ben » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:23 am

is ever ok to criticize any Buddhist idea or technique?

For me, I guess the answer depends on what one means by "criticise".
I have absolutely no problem with a critique which is well researched, respectful and is objective.
I actually feel a great debt of gratitude to my kalayanamittas and scholars who have assisted me to challenge my own views and approach to the Dhamma.
It would be all to easy not to visit a forum such as Dhamma Wheel and not be exposed to approaches that do not reflect my own.
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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e: [email protected]..

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Re: is ever ok to criticize any Buddhist idea or technique?

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:47 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: is ever ok to criticize any Buddhist idea or technique?

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: is ever ok to criticize any Buddhist idea or technique?

Postby Ben » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:54 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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