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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby AlexanderS » Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:30 pm

Sherab Dorje wrote:
AlexanderS wrote:"
Deadly Maoist attack on Indian police
At least 20 reportedly killed in Chhattisgarh state after attack on CRPF and state police."


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2014 ... 82115.html
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Just a reminder though: this thread is about Anarchism and not Maoism.


It's not about capitalism either.

For me the real anarchists in history were and are people like Milarepa.
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby Sherab Dorje » Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:26 pm

Zhen Li wrote:Maybe it's political, maybe it isn't.
You could just admit to being a hypocrite, I mean, we all are, so why wouldn't you be one? ;)
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby Zhen Li » Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:51 pm

Well, if it's clearly a fact, it's not a discussion. That's why I said maybe it is, maybe it isn't. This has already gone on long enough to be unskillful enough to be hypocritical, and we're not even talking about politics anymore, but about talking. :P
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby qedstar » Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:30 pm

ground wrote:Anarchism and religious tradition are contradictory. "Buddhist anarchism" is a contradiction in terms.

If buddhism is belief in eventual justice and anarchism in non-initiation-of-aggression principle, then these two are mutually compatible. Anarchism says that we shall not hurt each other and buddhism says that if we do, justice will be enacted upon us eventually. Buddhist anarchism is the most complete (wise & powerful) philosophy I ever heard of.
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby qedstar » Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:58 pm

Rickpa wrote:We need the right amount of government. I am merely stating the ideal of liberty to exchange resources voluntarily, and to mutual benefit.

What if people wouldn't voluntarily fund "right amount of government"?
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby qedstar » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:17 pm

reddust wrote:From what I've seen all the isms are supposed to help the common man get taken over by the ruling class. It sucks but that's the reality I've experienced and read about. :shrug:

Taking it simple, "do not hurt humans" is the one -ism that is not meant to enslave man. But to understand, what's its name, one has to have wisdom of his own, which only few people share. Without this wisdom, you will be best off with "do not hurt others to get your way".
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby qedstar » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:23 pm

treehuggingoctopus wrote:I promised I'm not going to post in this thread, and it seems I'm breaking my promise; Greg's last post proved irresistible. Anyway, a piece of David Graeber's writing for those of you who happen to share my conviction that libertarian (read: laissez-faire capitalist, anarcho-capitalist, Objectivist and so on) drivel is, well, just drivel (attached). It's well worth reading, IMO.

Could you simply stance which side of barricade you are on, please?
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby qedstar » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:37 pm

theanarchist wrote:
tellyontellyon wrote:" It's the tiny elite we should worry about,:
No, the problem is not a tiny elite. It's not a few greedy people up there. The problem is that the majority of people given an opportunity to that sort of position will just act like the old elite that was removed.

First psychological sentence here I have to agree with completely.

theanarchist wrote:That's the reason why there has not been a single revolution that hasn't ended in a blood bath and a totalitarian regime.

Absolutely agree second time.

theanarchist wrote:The French got rid of the king and 10 years and many massacres later had Bonaparte who wrecked Europe with his megalomania. The Russians got rid of the Czar and not so much later had Stalin and tens of millions died. The Chinese got rid of... well, we know how it goes...

Exactly.

theanarchist wrote:Capitalism is a problem that lives in everyone of us. There will never be a society where a majority of the citizens is so emotionally grown up that a truely communist system would work.

Wat? Wat? I read this lines in disbelief. I thought you must be a 100% libertarian buddhist if you said this. Communistic ideology absolutely does not match your previous statements. Removed from friends, I'll take you as undecided yet.
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby qedstar » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:46 pm

Kim O'Hara wrote:Zhen Li,
Thanks for your last few posts. Now at last I know what kind of government you believe in, instead of only suspecting it.
IIRC, Plato proposed the benevolent dictatorship as the ideal form of government about 2000 years ago. You've got a new twist on it but the crucial faults of the model remain: how to create such a state without enormous bloodshed, and how to ensure that the dictatorship remains benevolent. Can you solve them?

Yes. Agree. Another true opinion. Because wise knows that it is impossible to peacefully create a government.

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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby reddust » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:25 pm

qedstar wrote:
reddust wrote:From what I've seen all the isms are supposed to help the common man get taken over by the ruling class. It sucks but that's the reality I've experienced and read about. :shrug:

Taking it simple, "do not hurt humans" is the one -ism that is not meant to enslave man. But to understand, what's its name, one has to have wisdom of his own, which only few people share. Without this wisdom, you will be best off with "do not hurt others to get your way".


Well if you are in my way while I am cooking dinner for you, I'm gonna hurt you, the water is boiling hot :tongue: But seriously, that's pretty simple advice, easy to understand and act on. The isms that read so good on paper don't seem to work so good in daily life for common people. Putting the Dharma philosophy to work has produced positive results for me and I am as common as you get. However the ism part of Buddhism is a pain in the neck! So my thoughts on anarchy and Buddhism are....
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby Zhen Li » Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:38 pm

qedstar wrote:Yes. Agree. Another true opinion. Because wise knows that it is impossible to peacefully create a government.

Well, a new parliament comes along about twice a decade, without any shots fired.

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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby treehuggingoctopus » Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:02 am

qedstar wrote:
treehuggingoctopus wrote:I promised I'm not going to post in this thread, and it seems I'm breaking my promise; Greg's last post proved irresistible. Anyway, a piece of David Graeber's writing for those of you who happen to share my conviction that libertarian (read: laissez-faire capitalist, anarcho-capitalist, Objectivist and so on) drivel is, well, just drivel (attached). It's well worth reading, IMO.

Could you simply stance which side of barricade you are on, please?


I'm not really a barricade man, not anymore, in any case. But I am an almost lifelong Wobblie, though, and I admit I still find libertarian socialism the most persuasive recipe for alleviating our human socio-economic ills. (And no, I don't think it could bring samsara to an end. Or repair it.) Accordingly, I have very little respect for, and no faith in, capitalism, especially of the laissez-faire variety.

Btw, I'm answering only because you asked, and don't want to be involved in the debate any further than that.
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby madhusudan » Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:58 am

I read the first 14 or so pages of this thread and found very little on the subject of anarchism - living free from coercive rulers. Maybe I missed that discussion amid the words on socialism and economic 'justice'.

I came upon the collected writings of an individual that are quite relevant to a discussion of anarchism:

Site Index: http://www.thespiritof76.com/NEX_NEWS/MYWEB.HTM#GOVERNMENT

Book (Hijacking Civilization) : http://www.thespiritof76.com/NEX_NEWS/Storage/

Freedom and the Indians: http://lreichardwhite.blogspot.com/2013/10/freedom-and-indians.html

Very good stuff.

To me, a thoughtful application of Buddhist principles necessitates anarchy. All should be done voluntarily without aggressive force or threat. There is no grand social plan - other than the one enforced at gunpoint by megalomaniac sociopath control freaks. Actually, society itself is an illusion - a thought construct which may prove useful in certain circumstances, but which ultimately exists only in people's minds. Same thing with a 'country'.

I hope the links generate some discussion. For me, Hijacking Civilization was exactly what I needed to read right now. Things always work out that way somehow.
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby qedstar » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:34 pm

madhusudan wrote:I read the first 14 or so pages of this thread and found very little on the subject of anarchism...

Read all my posts.
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