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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby Sherab Dorje » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:52 pm

AlexanderS wrote: However think I think ideas such as marxism or pure libetarian anarchy are infantile fantasies that are impossible to implement succesfully in reality.
Whereas capitalism is a mature reality and is successfully implemented? :shrug:
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby AlexanderS » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:11 pm

Sherab Dorje wrote:
AlexanderS wrote: However think I think ideas such as marxism or pure libetarian anarchy are infantile fantasies that are impossible to implement succesfully in reality.
Whereas capitalism is a mature reality and is successfully implemented? :shrug:


I think our "free" market economies and society's in the west have been more succesful than our socialist counterparts in Russia(Soviet union), China, Cuba, North Korea, Romania, Cambodia, South America and so forth.
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby Sherab Dorje » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:15 pm

AlexanderS wrote:I think our "free" market economies and society's in the west have been more succesful than our socialist counterparts in Russia(Soviet union), China, Cuba, North Korea, Romania, Cambodia, South America and so forth.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion.
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby AlexanderS » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:31 pm

Sherab Dorje wrote:
AlexanderS wrote:I think our "free" market economies and society's in the west have been more succesful than our socialist counterparts in Russia(Soviet union), China, Cuba, North Korea, Romania, Cambodia, South America and so forth.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion.


Thats true.. That doesn't mean we have to respect them equally though.
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby Sönam » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:34 pm

AlexanderS wrote:
Sherab Dorje wrote:
AlexanderS wrote: However think I think ideas such as marxism or pure libetarian anarchy are infantile fantasies that are impossible to implement succesfully in reality.
Whereas capitalism is a mature reality and is successfully implemented? :shrug:


I think our "free" market economies and society's in the west have been more succesful than our socialist counterparts in Russia(Soviet union), China, Cuba, North Korea, Romania, Cambodia, South America and so forth.


succesful ... for the 1%?

Socialism has many itemizations ... a modern form is not against the market, but offers a better redistribution of profit. But the point in this case is that the (world) market is against socialism (i.e. a better redistribution). Capital want to continue to rule the world with his own rules. Therefore, for it works, socialism should be implemented in many countries at the same time (enough for it could'nt be isolated/segregated by actors of capital) ... all that very complicated, also because otherwise capitalism will remain the same, greedy, only guided by individual profit and competition.

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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby Malcolm » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:49 pm

Sönam wrote:Socialism has many itemizations ... a modern form is not against the market, but offers a better redistribution of profit. But the point in this case is that the (world) market is against socialism (i.e. a better redistribution). Capital want to continue to rule the world with his own rules. Therefore, for it works, socialism should be implemented in many countries at the same time (enough for it could'nt be isolated/segregated by actors of capital) ... all that very complicated, also because otherwise capitalism will remain the same, greedy, only guided by individual profit and competition.


Actually the problem is that companies like Walmart exploit Government social benefits in order to keep wages down. Walmart is the largest employer in the US and each of its employees receives an average of $1000 a year in federal assistance. American fast food workers take in a staggering $7 billion a year in federal assistance.

Frankly, John Maynard Keynes ideas about the role of government in the economy provided the US and England with the most stable economies they ever had. Unfortunately, people still keep arguing as if 19th century theories of political economy actually anticipated the global economy. They didnt' and don't, and that is why all of this talk of socialism vs. capitalism is frankly so silly, IMO.
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby Adamantine » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:04 pm

Posts on Bhutan have been moved to the "Living in Bhutan" thread http://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=15626
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby AlexanderS » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:15 pm

succesful ... for the 1%?

Socialism has many itemizations ... a modern form is not against the market, but offers a better redistribution of profit. But the point in this case is that the (world) market is against socialism (i.e. a better redistribution). Capital want to continue to rule the world with his own rules. Therefore, for it works, socialism should be implemented in many countries at the same time (enough for it could'nt be isolated/segregated by actors of capital) ... all that very complicated, also because otherwise capitalism will remain the same, greedy, only guided by individual profit and competition.

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There is far more than 1% of the population in the western world that have enjoyed a far higher income and higher standard of living than the population in those contries that have attempted socialist economies.
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby AlexanderS » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:50 pm

Adamantine wrote:Posts on Bhutan have been moved to the "Living in Bhutan" thread http://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=15626


I don't see why posts discussing a dharma monarchy don't belong in this thread.
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby Malcolm » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:43 pm

AlexanderS wrote:
Adamantine wrote:Posts on Bhutan have been moved to the "Living in Bhutan" thread http://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=15626


I don't see why posts discussing a dharma monarchy don't belong in this thread.


They do, but the issue was not about dharma monarchies so much as the deficiencies of Bhutanese policies, so I asked the mods to move it.
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby dzogchungpa » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:05 pm

I just noticed this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Occupy-Spirituality-Radical-Generation-Activism/dp/1583946853
which features an afterword by no less a personage than Lama Surya Das. Maybe it is relevant to the topic.
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby smcj » Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:13 am

A human being has his limits. And thus, in every conceivable way, with every possible means, he tries to make the teaching enter into his own limits. ChNN
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby Malcolm » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:51 pm

HHDL:

He went on to declare the command economy of the former Soviet Union, “failed,” and then critiqued American capitalism: “At the same time, United States, capitalist country, most richest, but gap rich and poor.”


At this point, Russia has the largest wealth gap. And it has turned into a Fox News paradise, at least if you followed John Stewart's analysis on Wed. night.
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby AlexanderS » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:19 am

"
Deadly Maoist attack on Indian police
At least 20 reportedly killed in Chhattisgarh state after attack on CRPF and state police."


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2014 ... 82115.html
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby Sherab Dorje » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:27 am

AlexanderS wrote:"
Deadly Maoist attack on Indian police
At least 20 reportedly killed in Chhattisgarh state after attack on CRPF and state police."


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2014 ... 82115.html
OM MANI PEME HUNG

Just a reminder though: this thread is about Anarchism and not Maoism.
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby Zhen Li » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:31 pm

I'm afraid that's what anarchism looks like.
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby Sherab Dorje » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:12 pm

Zhen Li wrote:I'm afraid that's what anarchism looks like.
I'm afraid you have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe you are talking about what the workings of western capitalist democracy looks like?

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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby Zhen Li » Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:25 am

With the lack of effective government, armed conflicts occur within countries.
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby Sherab Dorje » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:46 am

Zhen Li wrote:With the lack of effective government, armed conflicts occur within countries.
Hogwash. The above picture is from an American stealth bomber raid. Can't have arms industry producers and employers starving to death now, can we? It is a $711 billion dollar industry after all (and that is just the US defence budget, it's $2313 billion being spent on the military worldwide).

Didn't you say, in another thread, that you are finished with political discussions because they are wrong speech?
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Re: Buddhist Anarchism

Postby Zhen Li » Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:44 am

Actually I was referring to what was being talked about earlier.

Maybe it's political, maybe it isn't.
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