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Cause and Result

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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DarwidHalim
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Cause and Result

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:43 pm

Dear Members,

Which one comes first, cause or result?

Can the cause and result exist simultaneously?
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Cause and Result

Postby brahmabull » Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:51 pm


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Re: Cause and Result

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:30 pm

Oh yes, you are right.

However, that is not what I want to ask. What I want to ask is cause and result.

Can they occur simultaneously?
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Cause and Result

Postby brahmabull » Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:36 pm


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Re: Cause and Result

Postby David N. Snyder » Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:11 pm

A deva in the sphere of the unconscious who having a perception immediately falls from that
existence to another. Recalling the past existence, but no other wrongly feels that there is
a first cause
, a first existence.

Digha Nikaya 1

"there is no first beginning, no first beginning is knowable"
Samyutta Nikaya 15.1-2
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Re: Cause and Result

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:49 pm

Are you sure David there is no beginning?

Why there is no beginning?

Because Buddha said so?
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Cause and Result

Postby David N. Snyder » Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:03 pm

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Re: Cause and Result

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:08 pm

My these three posts really look like a game of mind, isn't it?

But, I am quite serious about asking this question. These three posts are related. I will wait to answer this.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Cause and Result

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:10 pm

If possible may be you can open the father and son.

In case you close these three links, I cannot hit the point I want to deliver.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Cause and Result

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:13 pm

And also the second one, which you lock.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Cause and Result

Postby Prasadachitta » Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:16 pm

Last edited by Prasadachitta on Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.
"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: Cause and Result

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Re: Cause and Result

Postby Fede » Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:30 pm

I'm beginning to wonder where the beginning of Common sense is, and where therein, the end of DarwidHalim resides..... :coffee:
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: Cause and Result

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:35 pm

:rofl:

May be.

Well, please don't assume I want to ask which one come first.

That silly topic Father and Son particularly is quite important.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Cause and Result

Postby brahmabull » Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:43 pm


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Re: Cause and Result

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:27 pm

Oh yes.

Father and Son is definitely the most silly question on the earth.

However, anyone who answers Father comes first followed by Son is the actually the one who is the most silly person on the earth.

Now I think may be Nagarjuna has nothing to do as well, so he used Father and Son to explain why the source of 6 consciousness, which we feel so real, cannot exist.

I want to use his analysis and logic to share that point by not directly telling the answer.

Since I see his explanation is purely logic and has nothing to do with difference of school, I feel I may want to share.

However, I also feel that there are too much suspicious about me, which may appear silly.

People will not appreciate it, once they are suspicious about you.

In this case, let's close these three links.

Also lost interest already. :rofl:

Let us have a drink and popcorn. :toast: :popcorn:

In case some of you want to study about it, you may search google on how Nagarjuna used Father and Son, this most silly question, to explain why 6 sources of consciousness cannot exist, something which I think quite complex.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Cause and Result

Postby Fede » Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:15 pm

I suggest you post your questions on Dharma wheel. Nargajuna is said to have founded a specific school in the Mahayana Tradition, and we deal more with Theravada Buddhism here.
So really, this isn't the right place to pose your questions.
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


http://www.armchairadvice.co.uk/relationships/forum/

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Re: Cause and Result

Postby chownah » Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:18 am

DarwidHalim,
Which one comes first, Father or Son?.....I am glad that you have lost interest already because now you will not get so excited when I tell you the answer!!!! :tongue:
The answer is that neither of them comes first......if a male baby is born the at the moment of birth both the father and son arise!!!! The lesson I take from this is that "father" and "son" are both empty.......how can real things arise just because a baby passes through a door into light?......
chownah

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Re: Cause and Result

Postby chownah » Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:29 am

DarwidHalim,
You wrote:
"Let's use example between eyes consciousness and a car.

Without a car as an object, can we have eyes consciousness?"

When I read this I starting laughing and then started crying.....I started laughing because if a car is an object for eye consciousness then the car and the eye must meet so this means you must go up and touch the car all around and everywhere with your eye......the picture I had in my mind was very funny......then I started crying because this would cause great pain!!!!

Many people will not understand what I am saying but I think that you will.
chownah

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Re: Cause and Result

Postby Prasadachitta » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:59 am

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332


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