Vimuttimagga???

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Vimuttimagga???

Postby Frank » Fri May 18, 2012 7:22 am

not technically a sutra... but i think it is included in the chinese canon so it's close to being considered sutra at least, so i figured this was the place to ask about it.

I have read the visuddhimagga, it is very old and attributed to buddhaghosa. then i found out there is something called the "vimuttimagga" that is said to be older than the former. i have read excerpts of it and it sounds extremely similar to visuddhimagga, some parts are nearly identical. the odd thing is that i haven't found anyone saying that buddhaghosa used this to write his own. anyone know the story behind this?

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Postby Huifeng » Sat May 19, 2012 9:50 am

I'm mainly recalling discussions with Bhante Chandawimala, and Bhante Chandaratana, who both spent a lot of time on this, fairly important parts of their PhDs.

Though, I have misrepresented them both above. They argue fairly clearly that the *Vimuttimagga is Sri Lankan (I think everyone agrees on that) but Abhayagiri, not Mahavihara. Now, later Sri Lankan buddhism likes to think that all their schools were ever only Theravadin, but this is dubious. The Abhayagiri had strong affiliations with Mahasamghika, Vaitullavada and even Vajrayana teachings (all later expelled from the island).

Yes, there are a lot of commonalities with Theravadin texts. But, there are a number of points where they differ. And these often point to various Mahasamghika type leanings. Though, the whole issue of whether the Theravada was a doctrinal single unit is also up for debate. Many Theravadins would like to think this. But, because we don't have the material that Buddhaghosa used, for example, we don't know how many disputes were there before him. This is the contribution of Bhante Chandaratana's study, as he points out the various points of disagreement. Both "Sthaviravada / Theravada" and "Mahasamghika" are loose definitions.

So, apologies for the misrepresentation above. Haven't looked into this area for a few years, now.

~~ Huifeng


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