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Tathāgata

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Re: Tathāgata

Postby jcsuperstar » Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:42 am

"One Who Moves in Reality" seems, i dont know, vague?
สัพเพ สัตตา สุขีตา โหนตุ

the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: Tathāgata

Postby Will » Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:27 pm

There are differing ways of looking at the meaning: http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Tathagata

The plainest meaning is that Buddhas follow the same path trod by the Buddhas who came before them - thus "one who has come (or gone)" like all the other Buddhas.
A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: Tathāgata

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:55 pm

Greetings venerable Dhammanando,

I tend to think of it as "thus gone one" in a sense analogous to having "crossed the river" to nibbana.

Is that explanation, or something with a similar intent, supported by any of the established derivations?

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Re: Tathāgata

Postby Will » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:25 pm

Too lazy to copy out the paragraphs on Tathāgata's meaning in Pāsādika Sutta, DN. 29, but Walshe's translation is on page 436, for those who have it.
A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Mettāya,
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Postby piotr » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:54 pm

Bhagavaṃmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā...

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Re: Tathāgata

Postby green » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:43 pm

Here is a further exposition of the meaning of the Tathagatha from the Aganna sutta, DN:


Yassa kho panassa, vāseṭṭha, tathāgate saddhā niviṭṭhā mūlajātā patiṭṭhitā daḷhā asaṃhāriyā samaṇena vā brāhmaṇena vā devena vā mārena vā brahmunā vā kenaci vā lokasmiṃ, tassetaṃ kallaṃ vacanāya – ‘bhagavatomhi putto oraso mukhato jāto dhammajo dhammanimmito dhammadāyādo’ti. Taṃ kissa hetu? Tathāgatassa hetaṃ, vāseṭṭha, adhivacanaṃ ‘dhammakāyo’ itipi, ‘brahmakāyo’ itipi, ‘dhammabhūto’ itipi, ‘brahmabhūto’ itipi.

2] He whose faith in the
Tathágata is settled, rooted, established, solid, unshakable by any ascetic or Brahmin, any
deva or mara or Brahma or anyone in the world, can truly say: "I am a true son of the
Blessed Lord, born of his mouth, born of Dhamma, created by Dhamma, an heir of
Dhamma." Why is that? Because, Vasettha, this designates the Tathágata: "The Body of Dhamma," that is "The Body of Brahma," [3] or "Become Dhamma," that is "Become
Brahma." [4]

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I just have one problem with the translation, what is "bhuto" in Buddhism? Does it mean to become?

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