Nagarjuna's Commentary on the Great Prajnaparamita Sutra

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Re: Nagarjuna's Commentary on the Great Prajnaparamita Sutra

Postby cdpatton » Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:44 am

Something I would point out -- which is partly obvious, partly not -- is that this web-project is not a traditional publication. It is not academic (not peer reviewed, authorized, stamped by anyone's approval, etc) nor is it a "final" product. The material will be revised. Probably more times than one will care to count. Mostly to correct typos and word choices, but sometimes because I changed my mind about how to translate a paragraph, phrase, or term and revised every instance of it. I strongly discourage copying of the material to other websites or archives. It will just defeat the purpose and function of HTML -- the whole concept of hypertext is to use *links* and not copy material a bajillion times over. I will begin indicating change histories on all the individual pages so the latest version is clear.

On another note, that's news to me that Lamotte made it all the way through the first chapter commentary. (But I am neither "in" academia nor paying close attention to it.) I will have to try and get a copy of it to use for reference. Part of me, though, wants to wait until I have a sizeable chunk of the text in a fairly stable revision before looking. Just to see how far apart I end up from his translation. "Only" 35 fascicles -- that has to be something like 350,000-400,000 words of translated text alone.

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Re: Nagarjuna's Commentary on the Great Prajnaparamita Sutra

Postby Huifeng » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:33 am

cdpatton wrote:On another note, that's news to me that Lamotte made it all the way through the first chapter commentary. (But I am neither "in" academia nor paying close attention to it.) I will have to try and get a copy of it to use for reference. Part of me, though, wants to wait until I have a sizeable chunk of the text in a fairly stable revision before looking. Just to see how far apart I end up from his translation. "Only" 35 fascicles -- that has to be something like 350,000-400,000 words of translated text alone.

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Charlie,

Perhaps you missed it, but if you go to the Gampo Abbey translation page, it has a contact email for the English translator - "If you are interested in receiving any of Ani Migme Chödrön's translations, please contact her at animigme "at" gampoabbey.org". It's not perfect, mainly because Ven Migme Chodron can not read the original Chinese, but it is still very, very helpful and good. The 35 fascicles took Lamotte 5 vols, as indicated previously, and this includes a small part outside the 35 fascicles in his vol 5. The whole text is approximately a million characters in Chinese.

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Re: Nagarjuna's Commentary on the Great Prajnaparamita Sutra

Postby Will » Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:37 pm

Yes Charlie - the Ani only translated the French of Lamotte. Write her at animigme@gampoabbey.org

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Re: Nagarjuna's Commentary on the Great Prajnaparamita Sutra

Postby cdpatton » Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:10 am

Huifeng wrote:Charlie,

Perhaps you missed it, but if you go to the Gampo Abbey translation page, it has a contact email for the English translator - "If you are interested in receiving any of Ani Migme Chödrön's translations, please contact her at animigme "at" gampoabbey.org". It's not perfect, mainly because Ven Migme Chodron can not read the original Chinese, but it is still very, very helpful and good. The 35 fascicles took Lamotte 5 vols, as indicated previously, and this includes a small part outside the 35 fascicles in his vol 5. The whole text is approximately a million characters in Chinese.

~~ Huifeng


Will wrote:Yes Charlie - the Ani only translated the French of Lamotte. Write her at animigme@gampoabbey.org

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Yes, thanks to both of you. I have it now. What I find most valuable in Lamotte is the depth of his background exposition and research. I've finally gotten to where I can ferret most of it out myself, but helps to have his notes as well. Time saving! I was simply amazed at his footnoting in Boin's translation of his Suramgama-samadhi-sutra. A major resource just on that basis alone, going beyond the Sutra translation itself.

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Re: Nagarjuna's Commentary on the Great Prajnaparamita Sutra

Postby cdpatton » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:52 pm

This weekend, I'm adding the discussion of the ten epithets (already online tonight) and more of the first section (tomorrow) -- hoping to get through the four siddhantas. Also, I created a Google+ plus page for the project to help people who are interested keep up on updates. There is a link right on the homepage for those already using Google+.

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Re: Nagarjuna's Commentary on the Great Prajnaparamita Sutra

Postby Will » Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:20 am

I guess you are skipping around in posting the sections, but you will do ch. 2 & 3 eventually?

How about a table of contents?
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Re: Nagarjuna's Commentary on the Great Prajnaparamita Sutra

Postby cdpatton » Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:18 am

Will wrote:I guess you are skipping around in posting the sections, but you will do ch. 2 & 3 eventually?

How about a table of contents?


Yes, I'm doing some here and there that seems interesting but also working from the beginning as well. I'm trying to stick to material in the first ten fascicles for now (which will eventually be volume 1 of the translation in print). I'm not breaking it down into an outline yet, but I will in the future.

The primary table of contents for the Commentary is here. There is a link to it on the homepage and at the top of each page of translation.

I see I also had my link on the homepage broken after I uploaded it. It's fixed now.

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Re: Nagarjuna's Commentary on the Great Prajnaparamita Sutra

Postby Aemilius » Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:35 am

How much of the Great Parinirvana sutra have You translated so far? Where is it available? I have read the first six chapters years ago, and I have prints of it. Your translation of Great Parinirvana sutra is most valuable.
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Re: Nagarjuna's Commentary on the Great Prajnaparamita Sutra

Postby Leo Rivers » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:24 pm

The Commentary on the Great Perfection of Wisdom Sūtra (henceforth, "the Commentary") is the largest text translated by Kumārajīva to Chinese. At one hundred fascicles (about 700 pages of Taisho text), I estimate that the completed translation will reach 1,000,000 words of English. Being that this is the case, I cannot stress enough that this is a monumental project, but one which is equally important to make available -- in its entirety -- to the English speaking Buddhist world. The reason the Commentary is of such size is because its author did more than simply explain the technical details of the text of the Large Prajñāpāramitā Sūtra{1}. I liken it to an encyclopedia because it uses the text of the Prajñāpāramitā as the basic framework for far-ranging discussions of all the basic Buddhist concepts, practices, and lore in a more-or-less topical arrangement.


This makes it the Mahā-prajñāpāramitā-sūtra-upadeśa the Śunyavāda counter-pint to the Yogācārabhūmi-Śāstra... both are encyclopedias of the Path, both in the sense of toolkits and the sense of sequence, each from a different perspective.

It is time both are available.

This effort is so absolutely commendable in a world and country where so much is spent on achieving so little - and with so little good will. :thanks: :cheers: :bow:
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Re: Nagarjuna's Commentary on the Great Prajnaparamita Sutra

Postby Aemilius » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:44 am

Seems that C. D. Patton is going to have a very long life, considering the vastness of His projects. Perhaps we should compose a Very Long Life Payer for C. D. Patton?
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Re: Nagarjuna's Commentary on the Great Prajnaparamita Sutra

Postby Huifeng » Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:42 pm

I've actually got some of my own very old draft translations of the first 20 fasc. on my hard drive, still. Over the winter break, I found out that my brothers and sisters at the translation center at Hsi Lai Temple are also working on it these days. After I told Ven. Dharmamitra about this, he suggested a race. Maybe you can join them, Charlie!

By the way, Charlie, have you first read the whole thing through a couple of times to get the gist of it? I would highly recommend that, if you haven't done so already. :smile:

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Re: Nagarjuna's Commentary on the Great Prajnaparamita Sutra

Postby cdpatton » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:57 pm

Aemilius wrote:How much of the Great Parinirvana sutra have You translated so far? Where is it available? I have read the first six chapters years ago, and I have prints of it. Your translation of Great Parinirvana sutra is most valuable.
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I have about 25% of the Sutra drafted, but its 20 years old - from the days when I was not totally up to speed - so there's quite a bit of editing to do with it. It's better than Yamamoto, but certainly needs to be corrected and polished and footnoted more in depth.

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Re: Nagarjuna's Commentary on the Great Prajnaparamita Sutra

Postby cdpatton » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:59 pm

Aemilius wrote:Seems that C. D. Patton is going to have a very long life, considering the vastness of His projects. Perhaps we should compose a Very Long Life Payer for C. D. Patton?


Haha, the way things are going, that is probably a good idea! Or perhaps just rescue me from working-class-American-oblivion.

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Re: Nagarjuna's Commentary on the Great Prajnaparamita Sutra

Postby cdpatton » Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:01 pm

Huifeng wrote:I've actually got some of my own very old draft translations of the first 20 fasc. on my hard drive, still. Over the winter break, I found out that my brothers and sisters at the translation center at Hsi Lai Temple are also working on it these days. After I told Ven. Dharmamitra about this, he suggested a race. Maybe you can join them, Charlie!

By the way, Charlie, have you first read the whole thing through a couple of times to get the gist of it? I would highly recommend that, if you haven't done so already. :smile:

~~ Huifeng


Always everyone is working on this and working on that - all of these people who have the means, the education, etc - and what happens? If nothing else, I am just trying to shame people who have better opportunities and fortunes who could produce more but seem more interested in races and careers, and so forth. I piddle away my life in factories, teach myself classical Chinese, research all of this arcane material, having never set foot in a single University for any of it. I'll probably lose the race, but at least someone is behind you guys egging you on! :-)
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Re: Nagarjuna's Commentary on the Great Prajnaparamita Sutra

Postby Will » Sat May 04, 2013 6:46 pm

Here is a good abridgement by Skorupski of the Six Paramitas sections of the Upadesha:

http://www.wisdom-books.com/ProductDetail.asp?PID=10796
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Re: Nagarjuna's Commentary on the Great Prajnaparamita Sutra

Postby cdpatton » Thu May 16, 2013 6:04 am

Fascicle 1 is finally complete on Dharma Trove, wrapping up with semi-humorous analyses of numbers and time ... (I'll never think of "a" "pot" as just a pot again.)
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Re: Nagarjuna's Commentary on the Great Prajnaparamita Sutra

Postby Huifeng » Thu May 16, 2013 7:08 am

Good work! :twothumbsup:

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Re: Nagarjuna's Commentary on the Great Prajnaparamita Sutra

Postby Anders » Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:20 am

cdpatton wrote:Fascicle 1 is finally complete on Dharma Trove, wrapping up with semi-humorous analyses of numbers and time ... (I'll never think of "a" "pot" as just a pot again.)

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As your companion in practice"

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Re: Nagarjuna's Commentary on the Great Prajnaparamita Sutra

Postby charles » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:35 pm

Is anyone working on a translation to the commentary to Chapters 2-90 of the sutra/ are any translations of this part available?
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Re: Nagarjuna's Commentary on the Great Prajnaparamita Sutra

Postby cdpatton » Sat Jun 15, 2013 2:42 pm

charles wrote:Is anyone working on a translation to the commentary to Chapters 2-90 of the sutra/ are any translations of this part available?


Lamotte translated a little of the material after the big commentary on Chapter 1. It was the commentary on Chapter 20 of Kumarajiva's version of the 25,000 Line Sutra - the Setting Out Chapter. There is a discussion of the ten bhumis there.

Is there a particular chapter you would like to see the commentary to it translated?

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