5heaps wrote:kirtu wrote:He's inadvertently detailing the extent of their cult. We really can't pull punches on this anymore hoping that the group return to some semblance of the Buddhism mainstream.
People have seven years of serious TB'ist study and can't see that what they are engaged in is rampant nonsense?
what makes you think its a cult?
Because they are focused on their own peculiar interpretations well outside of the boundaries of Buddhist interpretation. Secondly two of their leaders (Roach and McNally) have behaved in a manner well outside of the boundaries and have apparently consistently done so. They seem to be feeding on Roach's syncretic interpretations and half-baked yogic styling. These revelations just seem to go on and on over the years.
do you know that cults purposefully dissuade their members from studying outside material?
absent this type of characteristic, is it still a cult?
Yes it can be.
although i would strongly argue that without an extremely good understanding of emptiness (ie. maybe being on the path of preparation or very close to it) one cannot practice generation/completion stage,
Nonsense - a person needs a minimal level of understanding to begin generation/completion stage. Arguably with the current state of affairs people's understanding may be lower than it used to be in the past, even pre-invasion Tibet. Nonetheless the legitimate teacher's themselves are not at fault. Yesterday a Drikung lineage master gave completely crystal clear instruction on Mahamudra in Maryland that was more than sufficient. You stabilize that instruction and you will definitely attain the bhumi's (of course for many people rich instruction is not the actual problem - the actual problem is putting knowledge, even real insight, into real practice).
"spiritual partnership" is just their translation of their particular emphasis of generation stage.
It appears to be their interpretation of kamamudra - a practice well beyond most people, IMHO (this subject was beaten to death over the past year).
is engaging in generation stage practice the activity of a cult?
Sorry, this seems like a manipulative statement masquerading as a question. Generation stage practice is specifically to develop merit and some wisdom and to cut our addiction to the commonly perceived world as inherently real. This alone can be taken out of context. There can be silly ideas about energy and so forth (the moronic New Age energy interpretations) floating about and some of the DM stuff seems to touch on that. Follow the wrong road on generation stage and you can end up in hell. Some of the attested stuff from the Maitreya cults shows that.
IMV DM is a cult like the Maitreya people, or like a cult that supposedly Drukpa Kunley stopped (the cult advertised 7 days to rainbow body - on day 7 people were tossed into a bottomless pit, at least according to the story). DM is well outside of Buddhist boundaries and have drifted over into syncretic Hindu-Christian sexual lala land.