Random question on Chogyam Trungpa

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Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa

Postby rai » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:51 am

i just came across this short video teachings by Khandro Rinpoche's. i think Rinpoche made an important point about our responsibilty when discussing about the Gurus or Sanghas, it starts around 4:00

Disdaining the lower and unable to grasp the higher,
talking of emptiness, such a person will neglect cause and effect,
mouthing on about the view while in a state of self-deception.
It would be better to concentrate on the gradual path.

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Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa

Postby justsit » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:24 pm

Very pertinent and concise wisdom, should be required hearing for all new members before posting.
Particularly important to be mindful of the implications of offhand comments, throwaway remarks, and "jokes."

Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
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Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa

Postby heart » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:15 pm

justsit wrote:Very pertinent and concise wisdom, should be required hearing for all new members before posting.
Particularly important to be mindful of the implications of offhand comments, throwaway remarks, and "jokes."

Thanks for bringing it to our attention.


I agree.

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Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa

Postby Greg » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:06 pm

rai wrote:i just came across this short video teachings by Khandro Rinpoche's. i think Rinpoche made an important point about our responsibilty when discussing about the Gurus or Sanghas, it starts around 4:00



Very much disagree with her remarks. Disempowering people to speak up when they perceive something amiss is exactly what has led to a shamefully extensive history of abuse by lamas in the west.
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Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa

Postby Zenda » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:34 pm

Great video! I didn't find her remarks discouraging in terms of speaking up; I thought she was just telling us to be mindful with our speech...
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Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa

Postby Tilopa » Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:02 am

gregkavarnos wrote:Ever heard anybody use the word f*** at least four times in one sentence? A habit I picked up working with street kids, junkies and prostitutes.

More likely a result of having spent some of your formative years growing up in Australia. :tongue:
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Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa

Postby Jinzang » Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:17 am

gregkavarnos wrote:Nobody here has doubted Chogyam Trungpas brilliance, but you would seriously have your head up your rectum if you did not acknowledge the man had a drinking problem. I mean his problem killed him for crying out loud!


No, he wasn't killed by his drinking. He had a bad stroke, lingered for a few months, then died. Another thing that "everyone knows" that isn't true.
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Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa

Postby Greg » Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:42 pm

Jinzang wrote:
gregkavarnos wrote:Nobody here has doubted Chogyam Trungpas brilliance, but you would seriously have your head up your rectum if you did not acknowledge the man had a drinking problem. I mean his problem killed him for crying out loud!


No, he wasn't killed by his drinking. He had a bad stroke, lingered for a few months, then died. Another thing that "everyone knows" that isn't true.


His medical condition was certainly a result of his drinking and drug use - not even his personal physician claims otherwise.
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Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa

Postby username » Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:16 pm

Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes
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Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa

Postby Sherab Dorje » Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:19 pm

Jinzang wrote:No, he wasn't killed by his drinking. He had a bad stroke, lingered for a few months, then died. Another thing that "everyone knows" that isn't true.
And my grandfather was not killed by his drinking, he died of a ruptured stomach ulcer.
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Meditation and conduct become delusion,
One will not attain the real result
One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
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Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa

Postby username » Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:52 pm

Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes
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Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa

Postby Fu Ri Shin » Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:28 am

I rather recently had a conversation with a woman involved with the nearby Shambala meditation center. In time our topic shifted from the rich similarities (and richer differences) between traditions, to Tibetan Buddhism in general, then to Chogyam Trungpa. I don't think she ever met him, but she had a bit to say about him, finishing with "...and all the stories about the women and the drinking are true!" In that declaration I heard not an iota of displeasure or even reservation. And contentious as is it all is, I can't say I flinch at such confirmations. The man obviously got some things very right.
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Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa

Postby TenzinDorje » Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:31 pm

There are the Teachers and then there are the Students that surround the Teacher. Where does the virtue and non virtue begin and end? and for whom?

Best to encourage each other here in practice let the Lamas debate each other...
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Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa

Postby username » Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:42 pm

Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes
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Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa

Postby heart » Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:33 pm

username wrote:http://chronicleproject.com/slideshow/journey_to_taksang_2/publish_to_web/index.html
http://www.chronicleproject.com/stories_110.html


Thank you for your wonderful links username, we are of one heart when it comes to this matter.

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