Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Sherab Rigdrol » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:49 am

Is there a relationship between Shiva and Chenrezig?
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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Malcolm » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:50 am

Sherab Rigdrol wrote:Is there a relationship between Shiva and Chenrezig?



Yes, Avalokiteshvara is held to have converted Shiva in the Karandavyuha sutra.
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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Sherab Rigdrol » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:53 am

Thank you Malcolm. So if one has a connection to Shiva by default they are connected to Chenrezig? I ask because Shiva was the first deity in the Hindu pantheon I felt connected to and took initiation of, and Chenrezig was the first in Buddhism who I connected with before I started to formally practice.
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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Nighthawk » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:55 am

Sherab Rigdrol wrote:Is there a relationship between Shiva and Chenrezig?

Some scholars have suggested that Shiva and Chenrezig may be the same figure. Read this on wikipedia some time ago.
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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Sherab Rigdrol » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:57 am

Nighthawk wrote:
Sherab Rigdrol wrote:Is there a relationship between Shiva and Chenrezig?

Some scholars have suggested that Shiva and Chenrezig may be the same figure. Read this on wikipedia some time ago.

Yeah I read that awhile ago too, but always took it with a grain of salt as there was no solid citation.
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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Destiny » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:56 pm

There must be a slight difference in lineage. I received through the Sakyapa school where it is a major wealth practice.

Sure, I received it through Shangpa lineage.
Anyway, it still doesn't make much sense to me.

Concerning the Ganapati mantra from the Sutra citated above, then, is it used to protect from hindu spirits which could harm you if you do hindu practices as buddhist?
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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Karma Jinpa » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:52 am

I've mostly seen Ganapati referred to as an emanation of Avalokita (Chenrezig). Not sure if this has to do with many depictions showing him as red in color and thus being associated with the Padma (Lotus) family or not...

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