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Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Jangchup Donden » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:46 am

How is Ganesh viewed in Tibetan Buddhism?

I was recently given a (rather nice) jeweled painting of him and was wondering what to do with it.
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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Malcolm » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:48 am

Jangchup Donden wrote:How is Ganesh viewed in Tibetan Buddhism?

I was recently given a (rather nice) jeweled painting of him and was wondering what to do with it.


Put it on your shrine. Ganesh is a worldly deity, under the command of Vajrapani.

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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby catmoon » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:48 am

It's an odd thing but I keep bumping into Ganesh in TB. There must be a reason for that.
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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Konchog1 » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:49 am

There are prayers to him (as Ganapati) I don't know if he is considered Enlightened or not. Same with Saraswati.
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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Malcolm » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:52 am

Konchog1 wrote:There are prayers to him (as Ganapati) I don't know if he is considered Enlightened or not. Same with Saraswati.


The fomer no, the latter, yes. She is Mañjuśri's consort as well as Shiva's wife.
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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Konchog1 » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:57 am

Namdrol wrote:
Konchog1 wrote:There are prayers to him (as Ganapati) I don't know if he is considered Enlightened or not. Same with Saraswati.


The fomer no, the latter, yes. She is Mañjuśri's consort as well as Shiva's wife.
She isn't Brahma's wife?
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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Malcolm » Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:04 am

Konchog1 wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
Konchog1 wrote:There are prayers to him (as Ganapati) I don't know if he is considered Enlightened or not. Same with Saraswati.


The fomer no, the latter, yes. She is Mañjuśri's consort as well as Shiva's wife.
She isn't Brahma's wife?


Nope.

For example, when the premission blessing is given, there is always a torma given to Parvati, who is Shiva's other wife, who because of her jealousy will otherwise afflict practitioners of White Sarasvati with poverty.
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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Konchog1 » Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:18 am

Namdrol wrote:Nope.

For example, when the premission blessing is given, there is always a torma given to Parvati, who is Shiva's other wife, who because of her jealousy will otherwise afflict practitioners of White Sarasvati with poverty.
Oh thanks. Is that something to worry about if I just say prayers and make offerings to Saraswati?
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Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Karinos » Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:04 am

there is a rare sadhana in Nigmapa tradition for Maha Ganesha / also called Vajra Ganesha

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otherwise as mentioned before "Put it on your shrine. Ganesh is a worldly deity, under the command of Vajrapani."

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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:57 am

Who's this then and why are they being crushed by a protector?
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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Stewart » Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:52 am

OMG! Greg! You posted a picture of a protectors feet! What were you thinking? What about your Samaya??!

Just joking :tongue:

Is it Dumbo? perhaps It's a scene Disney cut out of the original film :smile:
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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Karinos » Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:30 am

gregkavarnos wrote:Who's this then and why are they being crushed by a protector?


I've heard two explanations reg. deity under Mahakala Chadrupa feet:
- first is when Mahakala Chadrupa manifested - Ganesha offered his body as footrest - to dignify this emanation
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=326996253980396&set=a.142486442431379.28301.142485125764844&type=3&theater
- second is that it is not Ganesha but Binayaka (or Vinayaka) - a demon who brings obstacles and therefore trodden,
However in Hindu mythology Vinayaka is actually form of Ganesha who's primary function is removing obstacles.
so it is slightly unclear :)
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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby kirtu » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:27 pm

catmoon wrote:It's an odd thing but I keep bumping into Ganesh in TB. There must be a reason for that.


Ganesh seems to get around. There was an article sometime several years ago in Tricycle written by a student of the Khenpo Brothers who kept seeing Ganesh. They also told the author that Ganesh was considered a worldly deity under command of the Buddhas and gave some advice.

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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Malcolm » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:30 pm

kirtu wrote:
catmoon wrote:It's an odd thing but I keep bumping into Ganesh in TB. There must be a reason for that.


Ganesh seems to get around. There was an article sometime several years ago in Tricycle written by a student of the Khenpo Brothers who kept seeing Ganesh. They also told the author that Ganesh was considered a worldly deity under command of the Buddhas and gave some advice.

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Yes, for example, there is a Ganapati sadhana that is part of the thirteen golden dharmas. Ganapati is a common worldly dharma protector in Nyingma, as is Shiva.

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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Adamantine » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:39 pm

According to Lama Wangdu he is more than worldly and is a natural protector to practitioners of Chod.
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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Adamantine » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:41 pm

Also, re: White Saraswati - according to Nyingma she is
an emanation of Samantabadhri so there is no negative
effects such as poverty from practicing her...
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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby nirmal » Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:08 pm

Mahakala stands on the body of the white elephant king, Ganapati who is worshipped by Hindus before they worship their guru since he is the Lord of Obstacles.More information about him may be obtained from the Mahanirvana Tantra.After our Lord's Enlightenment, he was converted by Mahakala and appears under the latter's feet.He who worships Ganapati according to Tantric Buddhism has a real helper who helps to overcome obstacles.
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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Mandarava » Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:13 am

Namdrol says
The fomer no, the latter, yes. She is Mañjuśri's consort as well as Shiva's wife.[/quote]She isn't Brahma's wife?[/quote]


For example, when the premission blessing is given, there is always a torma given to Parvati, who is Shiva's other wife, who because of her jealousy will otherwise afflict practitioners of White Sarasvati with poverty.[/quote]

Namdrol where do you get the info that Saraswat is Shiva's wife? Can you quote it please as tradtionally she is viewed as the wife of Brahma.
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Re: Ganesh in Tibetan Buddhism

Postby pemachophel » Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:01 pm

There's also the Ganapati-Ganeshwara Hridaya Sutra which is available in English on-line. If interested, try doing a Google search. As a sutra, anyone can say/read it without necessarily having received lung, although lung can make the practice even more effective.
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