Is the 'e.coli' epidemic a gNyan disease caused by Spirits?

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Is the 'e.coli' epidemic a gNyan disease caused by Spirits?

Postby orgyen jigmed » Tue May 31, 2011 9:00 pm

According to a seminar given by the late Dr. Trogawa (2005) alleges that: " The ancient medical scriptures consists of 18 Chapters dealing with gNyan diseases and speaks about 4 or 5 in detail; it lists a total of 7 diseases that would emerge in modern times, the first being cancer, the second being AIDS". He then goes on to say that " Violent and aggressive gnyan diseases are always caused by spirits ".

    Can we hypothesise that this mysterious bacterial 'e.coli' epidemic as being one of these "7 diseases" caused by the gNyan?

    And would someone knowledgeable possibly elaborate more on these "7 diseases that would emerge in modern times "?

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Re: Is the 'e.coli' epidemic a gNyan disease caused by Spirits?

Postby Malcolm » Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:12 am

orgyen jigmed wrote:According to a seminar given by the late Dr. Trogawa (2005) alleges that: " The ancient medical scriptures consists of 18 Chapters dealing with gNyan diseases and speaks about 4 or 5 in detail; it lists a total of 7 diseases that would emerge in modern times, the first being cancer, the second being AIDS". He then goes on to say that " Violent and aggressive gnyan diseases are always caused by spirits ".

    Can we hypothesise that this mysterious bacterial 'e.coli' epidemic as being one of these "7 diseases" caused by the gNyan?

    And would someone knowledgeable possibly elaborate more on these "7 diseases that would emerge in modern times "?

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Re: Is the 'e.coli' epidemic a gNyan disease caused by Spirits?

Postby Malcolm » Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:18 am

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Re: Is the 'e.coli' epidemic a gNyan disease caused by Spirits?

Postby Dechen Norbu » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:32 am

Do you have any idea on how is the process, Namdrol? This spirit influences the generation of this new aggressive type of e. coli? Is it something intentional or just a by product of the activity of this sort of spirits? Can you explain this a little further? Let's imagine such is not a coincidence and in fact there's a connection. How would that work? The spirit's activity influences the characteristics of the bacteria when it reproduces bringing about a new strain or something?
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Postby Malcolm » Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:24 pm

Dechen Norbu wrote:Do you have any idea on how is the process, Namdrol? This spirit influences the generation of this new aggressive type of e. coli? Is it something intentional or just a by product of the activity of this sort of spirits? Can you explain this a little further? Let's imagine such is not a coincidence and in fact there's a connection. How would that work? The spirit's activity influences the characteristics of the bacteria when it reproduces bringing about a new strain or something?



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Re: Is the 'e.coli' epidemic a gNyan disease caused by Spirits?

Postby Caz » Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:05 pm

Apparently it was a Bean Sprout. :tongue:
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Re: Is the 'e.coli' epidemic a gNyan disease caused by Spirits?

Postby Malcolm » Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:09 pm

Caz wrote:Apparently it was a Bean Sprout. :tongue:



Maybe, now it seems to be a massive conspiracy aimed at organic agriculture.

But, still this kind of outbreak is definitely provocation related.
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Re: Is the 'e.coli' epidemic a gNyan disease caused by Spirits?

Postby Caz » Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:23 pm

Namdrol wrote:
Caz wrote:Apparently it was a Bean Sprout. :tongue:



Maybe, now it seems to be a massive conspiracy aimed at organic agriculture.

But, still this kind of outbreak is definitely provocation related.


Im more Inclined to think such things are caused by lack of hygiene and perhapes waste contamination rather then spirits, or Dharma centres. :thumbsup:
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Re: Is the 'e.coli' epidemic a gNyan disease caused by Spirits?

Postby padma norbu » Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:54 am

Namdrol wrote:
Caz wrote:Apparently it was a Bean Sprout. :tongue:



Maybe, now it seems to be a massive conspiracy aimed at organic agriculture.

But, still this kind of outbreak is definitely provocation related.


I believe it. Pretty hard to get any real food these days that hasn't been irradiated or otherwise made toxic. We've got an overpopulation problem and a Social Security problem. Codex Alimentarius went into effect this year. Next up: the internet. Hard to control people with so much free information, so we have got to cause a real alarm... something like Silk Road and bitcoin = anarchy drug, weapons and sex slave mail order = Chuck Schumer demands site be taken down = well, actually site can't be taken down because it's a Tor site and bitcoin is a completely anonymous currency that might threaten the economy = time to censor the internet. http://yuxiyou.net/open/
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Postby narraboth » Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:37 am

As a Tiebtan buddhist I should believe the benefit of doing puja etc for this kind of things...
but as a scientist too, I think cook your food properly is more important.

Chinese people fry or briefly boil bean sprout (also other vegetables) for a reason. Even China as a whole might not be as clean as Germany, we rarely have e coli problem there.

And sorry to say, but the fact is: chimical fertilizers won't have e coli. Cooked food won't have live e coli. Food without 'artificial toxin' may actually kill you.
People believe that they should grow vegetables like in 19th centry, then naturally they get epidemic of 19th centry.
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Postby padma norbu » Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:45 pm

narraboth wrote:Food without 'artificial toxin' may actually kill you.
People believe that they should grow vegetables like in 19th centry, then naturally they get epidemic of 19th centry.


That is a very annoying couple of sentences you've strung together. Besides ignoring all the damage pesticides and GMO methods do...

New tests reveal that the organic sprouts are NOT contaminated with e.coli.

The Wall Street Journal is now reporting:

“The Lower-Saxony state agriculture ministry said 23 of 40 samples from the sprout farm suspected of being behind the outbreak have tested negative for the highly aggressive, “super-toxic” strain of E. coli bacteria… In a surprising U-turn, German officials said initial tests published Monday provided no evidence that sprouts from an organic farm in northern Germany were the cause of the country’s deadly Escherichia coli outbreak.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 64714.html

Huh? Weren’t these sprouts being blamed as the source of the outbreak up until yesterday?
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Postby catmoon » Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:00 pm

The Lower-Saxony state agriculture ministry said 23 of 40 samples from the sprout farm suspected of being behind the outbreak have tested negative for the highly aggressive, “super-toxic” strain of E. coli bacteria…


Well, doesnt that mean that 17 of 40 samples tested positive for the nasty bug? How on earth can you spin this as good news for the sprout farm?
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Re: Is the 'e.coli' epidemic a gNyan disease caused by Spirits?

Postby padma norbu » Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:33 pm

catmoon wrote:
The Lower-Saxony state agriculture ministry said 23 of 40 samples from the sprout farm suspected of being behind the outbreak have tested negative for the highly aggressive, “super-toxic” strain of E. coli bacteria…


Well, doesnt that mean that 17 of 40 samples tested positive for the nasty bug? How on earth can you spin this as good news for the sprout farm?


No, that means that they haven't tested the rest yet. Let's read the full context...

German authorities on Monday were still hunting for the origin of the deadly Escherichia coli outbreak after early tests failed to confirm that a bean-sprout farm in northern Germany was the source.

The German state of Lower Saxony said it will test further samples of bean sprouts, which German officials thought might be behind the deadly outbreak, to see if they are infected with the strain. So far, 23 of the 40 samples have come up negative.

If further testing shows the sprouts weren't the source*, German authorities will again be back at square one in a search for the cause ...

*based on the context, you should probably be reading it as I did, that once they are finished, if all 40 come up negative, then what they initially thought was wrong.
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Postby padma norbu » Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:40 pm

IE. the words "still hunting for the origin" and "failed to confirm" imply that they haven't found it yet, not that 17 of the 40 were deadly toxic. If that was the case, then they would have found it, not failed to confirm it.

So, you see, they released this to the press before even having the evidence. Whether they find it or not (or fabricate it), the damage is already done. Look at your perception, for example. This is how we got into a war some years ago... weapons of mass destruction that turned out to be nonexistent.
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Postby narraboth » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:59 am

It is the sprout
http://www.todayonline.com/Hotnews/EDC1 ... i-outbreak

and it was the sprout
http://barfblog.foodsafety.ksu.edu/blog ... k-169-sick

sorry for you were annoyed, but if facts annoys you there's nothing i can do! lol
food addictive save many many from diarrhea and food poisoning.
and what 'huge harm' does GMO did? give some scientific evidence?
Pesticide is against buddhism because the propose of it is killing animals, I am against pesticide because I am a buddhist.
but probably you won't convince non-buddhists by suggesting that those kids in africa/southern asia should have died for malaria or yellow fever, because you believe human and mosquito are equal.

I still say, if you want to avoid risk in food, do it with scientific common sense, don't do it with organic myth such as 'the natural-er the better' 'we should go back to our grand-grand parents' eat-drink-farming habit'. Sorry, at that time human live much shorter than we do now, and nature is quite dangerous actually.
There's no evidence at all that eating raw vegetable will make you live longer, and using animal's stool as 'organic fertilizer' is surely not going to be safer.

anyway, the bottom line is one doesn't need to be a big organic fan to be a buddhist, so i will leave this topic here.
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Re: Is the 'e.coli' epidemic a gNyan disease caused by Spirits?

Postby Malcolm » Sat Jun 11, 2011 2:04 am

narraboth wrote:
I still say, if you want to avoid risk in food, do it with scientific common sense, don't do it with organic myth such as 'the natural-er the better' 'we should go back to our grand-grand parents' eat-drink-farming habit'.
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Actually, organic farming is safer than conventional farming, gives higher yields per acre, and so on.

No one but an idiot puts raw manure on crops meant for humans. Manure has to be composted properly.

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Postby padma norbu » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:45 pm

narraboth wrote:It is the sprout
http://www.todayonline.com/Hotnews/EDC1 ... i-outbreak

and it was the sprout
http://barfblog.foodsafety.ksu.edu/blog ... k-169-sick

sorry for you were annoyed, but if facts annoys you there's nothing i can do! lol


Facts are manufactured, just like consent. You are lining up at the door to be poisoned and sign up your descendants to be poisoned. There's nothing I can do about that, either. LOL?
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Re: Is the 'e.coli' epidemic a gNyan disease caused by Spirits?

Postby padma norbu » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:48 pm

Namdrol wrote:
narraboth wrote:
I still say, if you want to avoid risk in food, do it with scientific common sense, don't do it with organic myth such as 'the natural-er the better' 'we should go back to our grand-grand parents' eat-drink-farming habit'.
.


Actually, organic farming is safer than conventional farming, gives higher yields per acre, and so on.

No one but an idiot puts raw manure on crops meant for humans. Manure has to be composted properly.

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