Vajrapani and Vajrakilaya

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Re: Vajrapani vs Vajrakilaya

Postby conebeckham » Wed May 11, 2011 11:17 pm

Yep!
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ARe you familiar with the Zung recitations for these two? Often done first thing in the morning, after sitting down on one's cushion, during group practice....
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Re: Vajrapani vs Vajrakilaya

Postby udyan » Thu May 12, 2011 3:45 am

I appreciate everyone providing input to my questions, didn't expect so many people to reply. I understand that one enlightened deity encompasses all other deities. Vajrakilaya to me is an enlightened deity just like Vajrapani. So it seems they are similar in their activities of subjugating demons, which are both internal and external.
Is it right to assume that Vajrakilaya gives tough love and really cuts through the mind of a person that might be hard pill to swallow for some. While Vajrapani might take things little slower and make it easier for some to handle?

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Re: Vajrapani vs Vajrakilaya

Postby adinatha » Fri May 13, 2011 2:23 am

Anyone here actually uses Vajrakilaya as deity?
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Re: Vajrapani vs Vajrakilaya

Postby username » Fri May 13, 2011 2:38 am

For most Nyingmapas, don't leave home without him.
Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Vajrapani vs Vajrakilaya

Postby Malcolm » Fri May 13, 2011 2:39 am

adinatha wrote:Anyone here actually uses Vajrakilaya as deity?


Many people.
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Re: Vajrapani vs Vajrakilaya

Postby adinatha » Fri May 13, 2011 2:44 am

Namdrol wrote:
adinatha wrote:Anyone here actually uses Vajrakilaya as deity?


Many people.


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Re: Vajrapani vs Vajrakilaya

Postby Heruka » Fri May 13, 2011 3:05 am

many people see no vajrapani vs vajrakilaya, if one knows what i mean.

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Re: Vajrapani vs Vajrakilaya

Postby Fa Dao » Fri May 13, 2011 4:23 am

As an interesting side note, Vajrapani in his wrathful form as a protector is also highly revered at the Shaolin temple
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Re: Vajrapani vs Vajrakilaya

Postby heart » Fri May 13, 2011 4:50 am

adinatha wrote:Anyone here actually uses Vajrakilaya as deity?


Of course.

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Re: Vajrapani vs Vajrakilaya

Postby username » Fri May 13, 2011 5:13 am

Heruka wrote:many people see no vajrapani vs vajrakilaya, if one knows what i mean.


Must stop these coincidences. One does as one has had a book by one's bedside for a while explaining just that! But then beyond being trapped in a collector's mindset or even without spelling it out ... for people without various empowerments or even lungs of either, suffices: Om-Ah-Hung
Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Vajrapani and Vajrakilaya

Postby udyan » Fri May 13, 2011 2:51 pm

Heruka wrote:many people see no vajrapani vs vajrakilaya, if one knows what i mean.

Sorry I didn't mean to put VS as to say which one better but rather for comparison, so I deleted VS from my subject. I meant to say as just like asking a mother to describe her two sons.

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Re: Vajrapani and Vajrakilaya

Postby Heruka » Sun May 15, 2011 3:06 am

udyan wrote:
Heruka wrote:many people see no vajrapani vs vajrakilaya, if one knows what i mean.

Sorry I didn't mean to put VS as to say which one better but rather for comparison, so I deleted VS from my subject. I meant to say as just like asking a mother to describe her two sons.


many mothers on surface would say i love my two sons equally, yet in the heart, secretly loves the first born more....

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Re: Vajrapani and Vajrakilaya

Postby username » Sun May 15, 2011 4:52 am

Best to take it easy here, serious stuff, not just for us here but for many types of beings.
Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Vajrapani vs Vajrakilaya

Postby Adamantine » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:19 am

Fa Dao wrote:As an interesting side note, Vajrapani in his wrathful form as a protector is also highly revered at the Shaolin temple


That is quite interesting!
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Re: Vajrapani and Vajrakilaya

Postby byamspa » Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:56 am

Talk about your zombie thread....
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