LastLegend wrote:Form only arises from ignorance? Can form arise from Enlightenment? If ignorance can manifest form, then Enlightenment can also manifest forms. Afterall both is the work of Mind-one is deluded the other is not.
Yes, That is exactly what is being said. That is a distinctively Nyingma view of Mahayoga-- one permeated by Dzogchen--
such as in the Guhyagarbha Tantra. In explain the meaning of the word "Sangwei-- Secret," Jamgon Mipham, in Osel
Nyingpo says: "It is secret in the sense that the three bodies go unrecognized due to the veils of temporary obscurations,
though they are present within." Also, "In the same way, all phenomena that comprise appearance and existence are never
beyond the nature of great purity and equality, regardless of whether their nature is realized or not. This is also expressed
in the profound sutras, which say 'Whether or not the thus-gone ones appear, the reality of all phenomena has always
been this way from the start.' "
So the Kayas, Mind, phenomena are exactly what they are, and always appearing. Realization or Ignorance are really the
crux of the matter. The tantras adjust our perception.