heart wrote:5heaps wrote:Mariusz wrote:]Since these are all absent, suchness free of all these types of differentiation
appears in its one taste. This is what is referred to as “the subsiding of dualistic
appearance into emptiness.”...
everyone agrees that on the path of seeing all appearances beside emptiness cease. whats argued is what this means, how it happens, etc, and most importantly whether any one particular understanding of emptiness is the full understanding of emptiness or a partial understanding (of which various degrees are possible).
No, I don't agree that on the path of seeing you don't experience anything except emptiness if that is what you mean. Emptiness and appearances are not mutually excluding experiences this firmly established in the heart sutra for example.
Good point. I agree.
What do you mean by "all appearances beside emptiness cease"? Emtpiness should be the last reference point, to be somehow protected during the full understanding?
I always like quoting Yogacara, the top of Mahayana: The Sutra That Unravels the Intention, the lineage of vast activity explains
that the imaginary nature is like being affected by the disease of blurred vision;
the other-dependent nature is like the manifestations that appear due to blurred
vision; and the perfect nature is like "the natural object" of clear vision upon being
Don't worry . There will be unlimited possibilities upon being cured, although no reference points at all - no longer blurred objects of imaginary. The "functional" seeming - the dependent arisen, no longer also, as the manifestations that appear due to blurred vision.
If you protect the "functional" seeming conventionally and lack of inherent nature ultimately, you only protect "dependent nature" reference points and "the imaginary" reference points. So you will be safe as the "the best and only" Prasangika free from some kind of "metaphorical" Cittamatra. Ok, your choice. But what will you do with these two kinds of reference points?