"...but the science of Buddhism will never change."

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"...but the science of Buddhism will never change."

Postby Malcolm » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:11 pm





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Re: "...but the science of Buddhism will never change."

Postby Simon E. » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:19 pm

I think this is a very succinct and accurate summation Malcolm.
It will not be well received in some quarters of course..and not just by some Asian Buddhists.
There is a cohort of western Buddhists who have convinced themselves that Buddhadharma is important because it conforms at all major points to the scientific model..against the evidence.
" My heart's in the Highlands
my heart is not here.
My heart's in the Highlands
chasing the deer."

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Re: "...but the science of Buddhism will never change."

Postby heart » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:50 pm

The idea of evolution is that everything becomes better for most beings. I pretty sure that isn't what is happening in the world or in Buddhism. I rather sit at the feet of Garab Dorje and receive Dzogchen personally.

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Re: "...but the science of Buddhism will never change."

Postby Simon E. » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:56 pm

There is no implication of 'better' in the biological evolution of species, heart.
Dawkins is quite fierce on the issue.
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Re: "...but the science of Buddhism will never change."

Postby Malcolm » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:57 pm

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Re: "...but the science of Buddhism will never change."

Postby Norwegian » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:58 pm

To quote Wikipedia:

1) "Evolution is the process of change in all forms of life over generations, and evolutionary biology is the study of how evolution occurs. Life evolves by means of mutations (changes in an organism's hereditary information), genetic drift (random change in the genetic variation of a population from generation to generation), and natural selection (the non-random and gradual process of natural variation by which observable traits (such as eye color) become more or less common in a population)."

2) "Evolution is the change in the inherited characteristics of biological populations over successive generations. Evolutionary processes give rise to diversity at every level of biological organisation, including species, individual organisms and molecules such as DNA and proteins."

3) "Human evolution is the evolutionary process leading up to the appearance of modern humans. While it began with the last common ancestor of all life, the topic usually covers only the evolutionary history of primates, in particular the genus Homo, and the emergence of Homo sapiens as a distinct species of hominids (or "great apes"). The study of human evolution involves many scientific disciplines, including physical anthropology, primatology, archaeology, ethology, linguistics, evolutionary psychology, embryology and genetics."

1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_evolution
2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

Evolution is not "the idea that everything becomes better for most beings".

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Re: "...but the science of Buddhism will never change."

Postby Malcolm » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:03 pm





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Re: "...but the science of Buddhism will never change."

Postby heart » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:15 pm

So if something "develops" or "evolve" it gets more complicated or diversified or just different but not better except randomly so?

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Re: "...but the science of Buddhism will never change."

Postby heart » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:18 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: "...but the science of Buddhism will never change."

Postby Malcolm » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:20 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


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Re: "...but the science of Buddhism will never change."

Postby Malcolm » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:22 pm





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Human life spent in
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Re: "...but the science of Buddhism will never change."

Postby heart » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:51 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: "...but the science of Buddhism will never change."

Postby heart » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:56 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: "...but the science of Buddhism will never change."

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Re: "...but the science of Buddhism will never change."

Postby heart » Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:59 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: "...but the science of Buddhism will never change."

Postby Malcolm » Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:44 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: "...but the science of Buddhism will never change."

Postby Malcolm » Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:49 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: "...but the science of Buddhism will never change."

Postby Malcolm » Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:55 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: "...but the science of Buddhism will never change."

Postby dzogchungpa » Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:24 pm

Through Dzogchen we can really understand what God is and we don’t have to worry if there is a God or not. God always exists as our real nature, the base, for everybody. - Chögyal Namkhai Norbu


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