Chenresig Jenang initiation by HHDL italy 2014

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Chenresig Jenang initiation by HHDL italy 2014

Postby KonchokZoepa » Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:01 pm

does anyone know what jenang means? or any details of the Chenresig Jenang. and what kind of samaya commitments the Dalai Lama usually gives in Cheresig empowerments?
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

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Re: Chenresig Jenang initiation by HHDL italy 2014

Postby conebeckham » Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:09 pm

Jenang means "Permission ritual," and it's a type of empowerment/blessing which does not include the 4 Empowerments of Highest Yoga Tantra, but which authorizes one to engage in the development stage and recitation of a given deity or sadhana.
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Re: Chenresig Jenang initiation by HHDL italy 2014

Postby KonchokZoepa » Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:15 pm

do you know about the commitments that come with this kind of empowerment from HHDL?
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

OMMANIPADMEHUNG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo
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Postby conebeckham » Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:35 pm

In my experience, HHDL is quite kind in terms of practice commitments....I don't think there will be any specific commitments.
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Re: Chenresig Jenang initiation by HHDL italy 2014

Postby Karma Jinpa » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:51 am

Maybe I simply don't pay enough attention, but how often does HH the Dalai Lama give Chenrezig empowerments? I mean, I've seen him give more of the Kalachakra, and even Guhyasamaja, which strikes me as interesting. After all, he is acknowledged as an emanation of Chenrezig...

For that matter, is the Dalai Lama considered Chenrezig because that's the so-called "patron deity of Tibet"?

Frankly, the Gelukpas seem much more focused on Manjushri, so I would've thought the high Gelukpa tulkus would be considered his manifestation. Jé Tsongkhapa was (a disciple even had a vision of him as Manjushri riding a snowlion), and they have Vajrabhairava as one of their main annuttara-yoga tantric deities.

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Postby Konchog1 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:47 am

Je Rinpoche is seen as Avalokiteshvara, Vajrapani, and Manjushri. Although, some people saw him as Yamantaka too.
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Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
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Postby Tsongkhapafan » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:48 pm

The Four Kadampa Guru Deities are Buddha Shakyamuni, Arya Tara, Arya Avalokiteshvara and the Wisdom Protector so anyone who practises lamrim would be advised to build a strong connection with Avalokiteshvara because he is the embodiment of wisdom and lamrim is ultimately a Mahayana path.
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Postby heart » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:00 pm

Konchog1 wrote:Je Rinpoche is seen as Avalokiteshvara, Vajrapani, and Manjushri. Although, some people saw him as Yamantaka too.


Manjushri and Yamantaka are the same deity.

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Postby Malcolm » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:26 pm

Karma Jinpa wrote:
For that matter, is the Dalai Lama considered Chenrezig because that's the so-called "patron deity of Tibet"?


No, it is because in a political move, the regent of the great fifth, one of the all time great scholar scoundrals in Tibetan History, Desri Sangye Gyatso, decided to promote the great fifth as such, and the appellation has stuck every since.
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Postby Karma Jinpa » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:40 pm

Tsongkhapafan wrote:The Four Kadampa Guru Deities are Buddha Shakyamuni, Arya Tara, Arya Avalokiteshvara and the Wisdom Protector so anyone who practises lamrim would be advised to build a strong connection with Avalokiteshvara because he is the embodiment of wisdom and lamrim is ultimately a Mahayana path.

Kadampa after Atisha or Gelukpa after Tsongkhapa? And who's this "Wisdom Protector"? I'm genuinely curious.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Avalokita the embodiment of the loving-kindness and compassion of all the Buddhas, whereas Manjushri is the embodiment of the wisdom of all the Buddhas? Of course, the essence of all the deities being non-dual, they each have all of the enlightened qualities and are thus replete with both wisdom and compassion, being Buddhas.

Perhaps I need to focus on this non-dual nature, rather than drawing distinctions...
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Postby KonchokZoepa » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:59 pm

i think the original kadampa wisdom protector is Acala Vidyaraja.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo
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Postby Konchog1 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:41 am

heart wrote:
Konchog1 wrote:Je Rinpoche is seen as Avalokiteshvara, Vajrapani, and Manjushri. Although, some people saw him as Yamantaka too.


Manjushri and Yamantaka are the same deity.

/magnus
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Equanimity is the ground. Love is the moisture. Compassion is the seed. Bodhicitta is the result.

-Paraphrase of Khensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tsephel citing the Guhyasamaja Tantra

"All memories and thoughts are the union of emptiness and knowing, the Mind.
Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."

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Postby heart » Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:44 am

Konchog1 wrote:
heart wrote:
Konchog1 wrote:Je Rinpoche is seen as Avalokiteshvara, Vajrapani, and Manjushri. Although, some people saw him as Yamantaka too.


Manjushri and Yamantaka are the same deity.

/magnus
Are ice and water the same substance?


Yamantaka is the wrathful form of Manjushri, and yes they are the same substance :smile:

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Postby conebeckham » Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:07 pm

Karma Jinpa wrote:
Tsongkhapafan wrote:The Four Kadampa Guru Deities are Buddha Shakyamuni, Arya Tara, Arya Avalokiteshvara and the Wisdom Protector so anyone who practises lamrim would be advised to build a strong connection with Avalokiteshvara because he is the embodiment of wisdom and lamrim is ultimately a Mahayana path.

Kadampa after Atisha or Gelukpa after Tsongkhapa? And who's this "Wisdom Protector"? I'm genuinely curious.


The four deities--Sakyamuni, Tara, Avalokita, and Acala, the "wisdom protector"--are the famed Kadampa deity practices of Atisha. And of course his Lam Rim was the model for all the various subsequent Tibetan manifestations of that genre.

Gelukpa, after Tsong Khapa, focused on the Three Tantras and the Protectors of the Three Scopes.

Karma Jinpa wrote:Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Avalokita the embodiment of the loving-kindness and compassion of all the Buddhas, whereas Manjushri is the embodiment of the wisdom of all the Buddhas? Of course, the essence of all the deities being non-dual, they each have all of the enlightened qualities and are thus replete with both wisdom and compassion, being Buddhas.


Yes, Avalokita is the manifestation of the compassion of all the Buddhas, while Manjusri is said the be the manifestation of the wisdom of the Buddhas.

Karma Jinpa wrote:Perhaps I need to focus on this non-dual nature, rather than drawing distinctions...
One can draw accurate distinctions while understanding the essential unity of manifestations, eh? :smile: Otherwise, we couldn't have these wonderful conversations.
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Re: Chenresig Jenang initiation by HHDL italy 2014

Postby JKhedrup » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:22 pm

Some good news is that for those in Europe who may wish to receive the Chenrezig/Avalokiteshvara empowerment from HH Dalai Lama, but are not able to go to Italy, there will be another opportunity in Germany from August 24-26 in Hamburg.

His Holiness will teach on the "Bodhisattva's Way of Life" (Bodhisattvacaryavatara) as well as give the Avalokiteshvara initiation. A perfect opportunity to receive the initiation from an emanation of Chenrezig!
In order to ensure my mind never comes under the power of the self-cherishing attitude,
I must obtain control over my own mind.
Therefore, amongst all empowerments, the empowerment that gives me control over my mind is the best,
and I have received the most profound empowerment with this teaching.
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Postby JKhedrup » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:26 pm

Short Wikipedia on the Kadampa wisdom protector- Acala (Tibetan Miyowa): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acala

He is the wisdom protector that Lama Atisha recommended for practitioners of the early Kadampa school. There is a collection of Sadhanas regarding the four deities of the Kadampas. Padmakara has a translation of the Miyowa practice here: http://www.padmakara.com/Four-Deities-o ... 24_34.html

Geshe Sonam told me that the lineage of these 4 deities is still held by several masters in the Gelugpa tradition. I believe Lama Zopa Rinpoche for example has given initiations and short commentaries on these practices.
In order to ensure my mind never comes under the power of the self-cherishing attitude,
I must obtain control over my own mind.
Therefore, amongst all empowerments, the empowerment that gives me control over my mind is the best,
and I have received the most profound empowerment with this teaching.
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