theanarchist wrote:Malcolm wrote:theanarchist wrote:Then of course there is the four Dzogchen "samayas", which are unbreakable since they are not conditioned.
Other vajrayana samaya connections are just as unbreakable.
Not what I meant. What I meant was that Dzogchen samayas are connected with reality. The 22 Vajrayāna samayas of the new tantra schools or the 29 samayas of the old tantra tradition are connnected with view and conduct.
Because even if it's nowhere as explicit as in dzogchen, in a highest yogatantra initiation what makes the initiation valid is the conferrence of a spark of the absolute nature of the deity.
No divine spark is implanted, Gurus are not creator gods.
What happens during an anuttarayoga initiation is an arrangement of dependent origination. Each initiation has its own samayas connected with the practices which it permits one to do. Please Kongtrul's Buddhist Ethics for a full account.
The vows you take during an initiation are vows, they are not the actual samaya.
Of course they are.
The actual samaya is the connection you make with the teacher by receiving initiation, the vows are a tool that enables the disciple to progress on that path in a meaningful way.
The vows are what maintain that connection. When you break those, you break the connection.
It is not harmful because you made some promise, it's harmful because it not following those rules is in itself harmful once you have made this type of connection.
It's harmful because you have made a promise, and that is the connection; this is why "dam tshig", "solemn word" is how Tibetans translate the term samaya. There is no mystical basis for samaya. It is premised strictly on accepting a set of promises.