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does all smoking close the crown chakra

Postby KonchokZoepa » Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:01 pm

hi, i currently suffer from cigarette addiction, i just bought herbal ayurvedic cigarettes to help me quit smoking.

my question is that does even the ayurvedic cigarettes render phowa ineffective or close the crown chakra.

i read from chatral rinpoche's - compassionate action that indeed smoking cigarettes closes the crown chakra.

any information would be appreciated.
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Re: does all smoking close the crown chakra

Postby asunthatneversets » Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:37 pm

KonchokZoepa wrote:hi, i currently suffer from cigarette addiction, i just bought herbal ayurvedic cigarettes to help me quit smoking.

my question is that does even the ayurvedic cigarettes render phowa ineffective or close the crown chakra.

i read from chatral rinpoche's - compassionate action that indeed smoking cigarettes closes the crown chakra.

any information would be appreciated.

You should try some of those electronic cigarettes, maybe you can ween off your addiction that way. They have nicotine but are essentially water vapor I believe. Definitely the lesser of two evils when compared to cigarettes.
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Re: does all smoking close the crown chakra

Postby KonchokZoepa » Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:54 pm

i just ordered ayurvedic cigarettes and i even think i will try to stop completely even without them.
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Re: does all smoking close the crown chakra

Postby Karma Dorje » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:01 pm

KonchokZoepa wrote:i just ordered ayurvedic cigarettes and i even think i will try to stop completely even without them.


The key weapon I used to quit was this: I reflected on the craving I felt and thought, "If I give in to this craving now, I am going to continue to experience cravings for the rest of my life. If I just don't act on it, it will get better." The physical cravings are at their strongest for only three days. After that it gets much easier. After about 2 weeks you are really in the clear as long as you don't hang around people or situations you always used to smoke in. And really, once you get your sense of smell and taste back and realize how deadened you were to your senses from cigarettes it becomes *really* easy to keep going.

Good luck! I am *so* glad I broke free of that. It's a fight worth fighting.
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Re: does all smoking close the crown chakra

Postby KonchokZoepa » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:05 pm

have you read about the termas that state that you will go to hell or lower realms because of smoking, are you afraid of this or do you think its something conquerable and not so solid fact?
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Re: does all smoking close the crown chakra

Postby Karma Dorje » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:10 pm

KonchokZoepa wrote:have you read about the termas that state that you will go to hell or lower realms because of smoking, are you afraid of this or do you think its something conquerable and not so solid fact?


I felt it definitely was negative for my health, and of course I was aware of Dudjom Rinpoche's statement on the effects of tobacco. My main impetus was that I just felt better without the constant craving, I hated the way my house and clothes smelled and it was ridiculously expensive (around $7.00/pack when I quit). I am pretty sure that it does in fact sow the seeds of negative rebirth, as strong craving is not conducive to positive states of mind.
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Re: does all smoking close the crown chakra

Postby Malcolm » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:22 pm

Karma Dorje wrote:
KonchokZoepa wrote:have you read about the termas that state that you will go to hell or lower realms because of smoking, are you afraid of this or do you think its something conquerable and not so solid fact?


I felt it definitely was negative for my health, and of course I was aware of Dudjom Rinpoche's statement on the effects of tobacco.



On the other hand, the idea that tobacco springs from the menstrual blood of an evil demoness is a little silly since tobacco never existed in the old world until it was brought back from the new world by Europeans.

That being said, tobacco is pernicious if only for the fact that it takes up polonium 210 from the soil, rendering its smoke toxically radioactive, which is why for example, tobacco causes cancer but weed does not.
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Re: does all smoking close the crown chakra

Postby Karma Dorje » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:28 pm

Malcolm wrote:On the other hand, the idea that tobacco springs from the menstrual blood of an evil demoness is a little silly since tobacco never existed in the old world until it was brought back from the new world by Europeans.

That being said, tobacco is pernicious if only for the fact that it takes up polonium 210 from the soil, rendering its smoke toxically radioactive, which is why for example, tobacco causes cancer but weed does not.


Are you saying that evil demonesses do not live in the New World, or simply that they don't menstruate?
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Re: does all smoking close the crown chakra

Postby Malcolm » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:29 pm

Karma Dorje wrote:
Malcolm wrote:On the other hand, the idea that tobacco springs from the menstrual blood of an evil demoness is a little silly since tobacco never existed in the old world until it was brought back from the new world by Europeans.

That being said, tobacco is pernicious if only for the fact that it takes up polonium 210 from the soil, rendering its smoke toxically radioactive, which is why for example, tobacco causes cancer but weed does not.


Are you saying that evil demonesses do not live in the New World, or simply that they don't menstruate?


I am saying that the author of that terma clearly had no idea where tobacco came from originally.
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Re: does all smoking close the crown chakra

Postby KonchokZoepa » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:29 pm

interesting, but do you think that if you have smoked tobacco you will without a choice go to the lower realms because of smoking.

an interesting thing happened two days ago, i was smoking outside in the evening, it was already dark and a spirit attacked me. first it was wind somewhere then suddenly it flew over me and also like it was running keeping a distance from me though and i heard a weird voice not at all loud almost like silence, and my body got tremendous fear and started shaking.

and is it possible to purify the karma of smoking cigarettes by practice ?
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Re: does all smoking close the crown chakra

Postby dzogchungpa » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:34 pm

KonchokZoepa wrote:interesting, but do you think that if you have smoked tobacco you will without a choice go to the lower realms because of smoking.

You can't be serious?
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2) There is no such thing as a Bodhisattva, or as all-knowledge, or as a ‘being’, or as the perfection of wisdom, or as an attainment.
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Re: does all smoking close the crown chakra

Postby KonchokZoepa » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:38 pm

well, its what the termas say. or what the Dudjom Rinpoche's quotes from the termas say.
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Re: does all smoking close the crown chakra

Postby dzogchungpa » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:40 pm

Well, I wouldn't worry about it. It's probably better to stop smoking though.
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1) One should become a Bodhisattva (or, Buddha-to-be), i.e. one who is content with nothing less than all-knowledge attained through the perfection of wisdom for the sake of all beings.
2) There is no such thing as a Bodhisattva, or as all-knowledge, or as a ‘being’, or as the perfection of wisdom, or as an attainment.
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Re: does all smoking close the crown chakra

Postby Jikan » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:43 pm

Malcolm wrote:On the other hand, the idea that tobacco springs from the menstrual blood of an evil demoness is a little silly since tobacco never existed in the old world until it was brought back from the new world by Europeans.

That being said, tobacco is pernicious if only for the fact that it takes up polonium 210 from the soil, rendering its smoke toxically radioactive, which is why for example, tobacco causes cancer but weed does not.


Is it possible to read the text with the understanding that tobacco sprang from the menstrual blood of an evil demoness... without reference to geography or ethnobotany? That is, did the terton really need to specify that tobacco is a North American noxious weed for his text to have value?
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Re: does all smoking close the crown chakra

Postby KonchokZoepa » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:50 pm

lol

nobody is answering my question here.

does anyone know if the ayurvedic herbal smokes close to crown chakra?, rendering phowa ineffective..
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Re: does all smoking close the crown chakra

Postby Malcolm » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:51 pm

Jikan wrote:
Malcolm wrote:On the other hand, the idea that tobacco springs from the menstrual blood of an evil demoness is a little silly since tobacco never existed in the old world until it was brought back from the new world by Europeans.

That being said, tobacco is pernicious if only for the fact that it takes up polonium 210 from the soil, rendering its smoke toxically radioactive, which is why for example, tobacco causes cancer but weed does not.


Is it possible to read the text with the understanding that tobacco sprang from the menstrual blood of an evil demoness... without reference to geography or ethnobotany? That is, did the terton really need to specify that tobacco is a North American noxious weed for his text to have value?



In 19th century Tibet, no. In 21st century America, yes. Moreover, tobacco, like any plant, has medicinal as well as other uses. To characterize it as a weed is wrong. A plant is only a weed when it is not wanted or not understood.
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Re: does all smoking close the crown chakra

Postby Malcolm » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:51 pm

KonchokZoepa wrote:lol

nobody is answering my question here.

does anyone know if the ayurvedic herbal smokes close to crown chakra?, rendering phowa ineffective..


Should not be an issue.
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Re: does all smoking close the crown chakra

Postby Paul » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:52 pm

Regardless of Buddhist related topics, it's 1) expensive and more importantly 2) gives you cancer/lung disease/heart disease etc. etc.
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Re: does all smoking close the crown chakra

Postby Jikan » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:06 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Jikan wrote:Is it possible to read the text with the understanding that tobacco sprang from the menstrual blood of an evil demoness... without reference to geography or ethnobotany? That is, did the terton really need to specify that tobacco is a North American noxious weed for his text to have value?



In 19th century Tibet, no. In 21st century America, yes. Moreover, tobacco, like any plant, has medicinal as well as other uses. To characterize it as a weed is wrong. A plant is only a weed when it is not wanted or not understood.


Fair enough, but I think it's OK for me to refer to it as a weed by your definition because it springs up, unwanted, in my garden--and as noxious because the tomato bushes and other nightshades I do want don't like it.

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Re: does all smoking close the crown chakra

Postby Karma Dorje » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:37 pm

Jikan wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Jikan wrote:Is it possible to read the text with the understanding that tobacco sprang from the menstrual blood of an evil demoness... without reference to geography or ethnobotany? That is, did the terton really need to specify that tobacco is a North American noxious weed for his text to have value?



In 19th century Tibet, no. In 21st century America, yes. Moreover, tobacco, like any plant, has medicinal as well as other uses. To characterize it as a weed is wrong. A plant is only a weed when it is not wanted or not understood.


Fair enough, but I think it's OK for me to refer to it as a weed by your definition because it springs up, unwanted, in my garden--and as noxious because the tomato bushes and other nightshades I do want don't like it.

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Why should we privilege 21st century narratives over any other? Demons and menstrual blood speak to me in ways that ethnobotany never will.
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