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Supernatural powers of Unseen beings.

Postby Caz » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:58 pm

So This had me wondering this evening various unseen beings are attributed as being able to cause misfortune or various events to happen to people be that for good or ill, Does anyone know what sort of abilities they have in specific ?
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Re: Supernatural powers of Unseen beings.

Postby lobster » Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:42 am

Do you mean like mara?
http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma8/mara.html
or Buddhist vampires that suck your dharma? Are you interested in what to feed hungry ghosts or wish to know what bait to use for naga fishing? Perhaps you wish to know about my gurus Garuda breeding program?

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Re: Supernatural powers of Unseen beings.

Postby smcj » Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:12 am

Welcome Caz. Nice to see you. :thumbsup:
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Re: Supernatural powers of Unseen beings.

Postby plwk » Sun Sep 01, 2013 5:07 am

You mean the one that causes mad cow madness or the pretas that visit this forum and pry on others or both or none of it? :mrgreen:
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Re: Supernatural powers of Unseen beings.

Postby Adamantine » Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:34 pm

Here is an overview, albeit incomplete: http://www.khandro.net/mysterious_spirits.htm
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Re: Supernatural powers of Unseen beings.

Postby Indrajala » Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:01 pm

From the beginning Buddhists demonstrated a strong concern for the activities of non-corporeal beings. This seems to have always been the case up until very recently, but even then you still find plenty of magic employed by lamas and bhikkhus alike for protecting oneself from their influences.

In the Pali we find a protection incantation for defending oneself against yakkhas:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .piya.html

There was also early on concern about offending the thirty-three devas who tour the world on specific days. See the Abhidharma Mahāvibhāṣā Śāstra (大毘婆沙論):

    “Question – Why only speak of thirty-three devas? Answer – The devas frequently gather to discuss good deeds and misdeeds. Hence the partial discussion of them. The devas during the waxing and waning moons on every eighth, fourteenth and fifteenth always gather in the hall of saddharma to weigh the amount of good deeds and misdeeds in the world. Furthermore, the thirty-three devas always together inspect the creators of good deeds and misdeeds. Seeing one who has created good deeds, they then protect them. Seeing one who has created misdeeds, they then together resent and ruin them.”


These ideas go back to early Buddhism.

Plenty of Buddhist sorcerers also made their careers as summoners of benevolent albeit unseen beings for the benefit of the state. I wrote about that here:

https://sites.google.com/site/dharmadep ... -east-asia


Nowadays there is a tendency to see such beings as figments of your imagination or "just mind", which is agreeable to our materialist inclinations, but historically they were usually seen as beings with their own ongoing subjective sentient existences.

Fortunately, Buddhism has got a few powerful gods on its side like Indra. Here is a really good overview:

http://www.palikanon.com/english/pali_n ... /sakka.htm
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Re: Supernatural powers of Unseen beings.

Postby Caz » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:33 pm

Indrajala wrote:From the beginning Buddhists demonstrated a strong concern for the activities of non-corporeal beings. This seems to have always been the case up until very recently, but even then you still find plenty of magic employed by lamas and bhikkhus alike for protecting oneself from their influences.

In the Pali we find a protection incantation for defending oneself against yakkhas:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .piya.html

There was also early on concern about offending the thirty-three devas who tour the world on specific days. See the Abhidharma Mahāvibhāṣā Śāstra (大毘婆沙論):

    “Question – Why only speak of thirty-three devas? Answer – The devas frequently gather to discuss good deeds and misdeeds. Hence the partial discussion of them. The devas during the waxing and waning moons on every eighth, fourteenth and fifteenth always gather in the hall of saddharma to weigh the amount of good deeds and misdeeds in the world. Furthermore, the thirty-three devas always together inspect the creators of good deeds and misdeeds. Seeing one who has created good deeds, they then protect them. Seeing one who has created misdeeds, they then together resent and ruin them.”


These ideas go back to early Buddhism.

Plenty of Buddhist sorcerers also made their careers as summoners of benevolent albeit unseen beings for the benefit of the state. I wrote about that here:

https://sites.google.com/site/dharmadep ... -east-asia


Nowadays there is a tendency to see such beings as figments of your imagination or "just mind", which is agreeable to our materialist inclinations, but historically they were usually seen as beings with their own ongoing subjective sentient existences.

Fortunately, Buddhism has got a few powerful gods on its side like Indra. Here is a really good overview:

http://www.palikanon.com/english/pali_n ... /sakka.htm


Thanks Indrajala that was very informative. :namaste:
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Re: Supernatural powers of Unseen beings.

Postby Caz » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:35 pm

plwk wrote:You mean the one that causes mad cow madness or the pretas that visit this forum and pry on others or both or none of it? :mrgreen:


Well we've been summoning him this evening you see. :jawdrop:
Im more interested in the abilities of others I figure that if humans are able to influence the outside world a great deal then so to can Spirits & Gods but to what extent, How would one differentiate between the ripening of Karma and the ripening of Karma due to the Influence of something unseen ? :spy:
Abandoning Dharma is, in the final analysis, disparaging the Hinayana because of the Mahayana; favoring the Hinayana on account of the Mahayana; playing off sutra against tantra; playing off the four classes of the tantras against each other; favoring one of the Tibetan schools—the Sakya, Gelug, Kagyu, or Nyingma—and disparaging the rest; and so on. In other words, we abandon Dharma any time we favor our own tenets and disparage the rest.

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Re: Supernatural powers of Unseen beings.

Postby smcj » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:22 am

Caz wrote:Im more interested in the abilities of others I figure that if humans are able to influence the outside world a great deal then so to can Spirits & Gods but to what extent, How would one differentiate between the ripening of Karma and the ripening of Karma due to the Influence of something unseen ? :spy:

After a Mahakala initiation a lama spoke of the benefits. He said that the amount of benefit depended on you practice and your karma. If you only have a little good karma, Mahakala can't do very much. But if you had a large stock of good karma then Mahakala could do more.

But for people like us that have freedom to act, then the basic benefit is to change us. When we change internally, we change the way we live our lives. When we change our actions, the results of our actions change. That's technically not a miracle--unless you see the change in oneself as miraculous. That's the only miracle that means anything anyway.
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Re: Supernatural powers of Unseen beings.

Postby Konchog1 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:58 am

smcj wrote:After a Mahakala initiation a lama spoke of the benefits. He said that the amount of benefit depended on you practice and your karma. If you only have a little good karma, Mahakala can't do very much. But if you had a large stock of good karma then Mahakala could do more.
I seem to recall Zopa Rinpoche saying that Bodhicitta provides the karma for things like this to work.
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Re: Supernatural powers of Unseen beings.

Postby Nosta » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:23 pm

Indrajala, thanks for your clear and complete information about the subject. I am reading the links right now.

Now, I would like to make a question related partially to the theme: there is a person I met who said that his wife, after waking up from a surgery, saw some evil black beings. According to her vision, the beings call themselves something like "the black tall club" and maybe caused the problem leading to the surgery. Maybe it was just a simple hallucionation but it could be also a contact with spirits. If so, does anybody know something about black evil spirits or about such a "club"? This sounds like a silly question, but since we are speaking about spirits I found this a good place to ask.
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Re: Supernatural powers of Unseen beings.

Postby Indrajala » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:30 pm

I personally think most people who claim to see spirits either hallucinated or are attempting to get attention with such claims.

I don't deny the existence of spirits, devas and so on, but just that there's little way of knowing their activities for certain.

As Confucius said, respect them but keep your distance.
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Re: Supernatural powers of Unseen beings.

Postby heart » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:36 pm

Indrajala wrote:I don't deny the existence of spirits, devas and so on, but just that there's little way of knowing their activities for certain.

As Confucius said, respect them but keep your distance.


This is an excellent advise. Of course if you want to your respect can include practices such as sang, serkyem for the eight classes, sur, chö and so on.

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Re: Supernatural powers of Unseen beings.

Postby Indrajala » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:53 pm

heart wrote:This is an excellent advise. Of course if you want to your respect can include practices such as sang, serkyem for the eight classes, sur, chö and so on.


Do it at your own risk.
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Re: Supernatural powers of Unseen beings.

Postby Nosta » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:03 pm

Indrajala, about the woman I spoke, I dont believe she is trying to get attention. It was something that she said to her husband after getting out of a coma; since she was not used (like most of the western people) to such "encounters" she tought that was a real situation, a real spirit.

Also, I am not interested in speaking with spirits :D
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Re: Supernatural powers of Unseen beings.

Postby Simon E. » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:07 pm

Nosta wrote:Indrajala, thanks for your clear and complete information about the subject. I am reading the links right now.

Now, I would like to make a question related partially to the theme: there is a person I met who said that his wife, after waking up from a surgery, saw some evil black beings. According to her vision, the beings call themselves something like "the black tall club" and maybe caused the problem leading to the surgery. Maybe it was just a simple hallucionation but it could be also a contact with spirits. If so, does anybody know something about black evil spirits or about such a "club"? This sounds like a silly question, but since we are speaking about spirits I found this a good place to ask.
Thanks :)

A good description of a post -surgical hallucinatory state. The causes are complex but include reactions to anaesthesia, PTS ,and psychological shock.
The hallucinations take characteristic general forms, but vary in detail according to cultural conditioning.
Post-traumatic shock after even routine surgery, and its effects on healing and general well being are only just being taken seriously and responded to.
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Re: Supernatural powers of Unseen beings.

Postby heart » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:13 pm

Indrajala wrote:
heart wrote:This is an excellent advise. Of course if you want to your respect can include practices such as sang, serkyem for the eight classes, sur, chö and so on.


Do it at your own risk.


Don't worry, I would never blame you.

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Re: Supernatural powers of Unseen beings.

Postby Sherab Dorje » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:26 pm

Indrajala wrote:
heart wrote:This is an excellent advise. Of course if you want to your respect can include practices such as sang, serkyem for the eight classes, sur, chö and so on.


Do it at your own risk.
Whay could possibly be the risk involved in doing these practices?
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One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
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Re: Supernatural powers of Unseen beings.

Postby Indrajala » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:38 pm

Dealing with unseen forces can prove dangerous to your mental health.

Apparently Nagas are rather sensitive.
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Re: Supernatural powers of Unseen beings.

Postby Sherab Dorje » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:51 pm

Dealing with "seen" forces can also prove dangerous to ones mental health.

Humans can be fickle (and dangerous).
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