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Wrong view to Right view. Gradual or sudden?

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Alex123
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Wrong view to Right view. Gradual or sudden?

Postby Alex123 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:28 pm

Hello all,

I have this question:

Is jump from wrong view to right view gradual or sudden?

What I mean is that does one begin with 99% wrong view + 1% right view. Then 98% wrong view + 2% right view, etc.... and until 100% right view and 0% wrong view?

Or does it jump something like 100% wrong view to 100% right view?


Thank you all,

Alex
"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Wrong view to Right view. Gradual or sudden?

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:35 pm

I think Zen traditions especially seem to emphasize the one distinct moment of enlightenment, but most Theravadins I've talked to have described the journey as a gradual process, albeit one with occasional breakthroughs and jumps.
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Wrong view to Right view. Gradual or sudden?

Postby bodom » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:09 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Wrong view to Right view. Gradual or sudden?

Postby bodom » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:16 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Wrong view to Right view. Gradual or sudden?

Postby Alex123 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:23 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Wrong view to Right view. Gradual or sudden?

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Re: Wrong view to Right view. Gradual or sudden?

Postby Hanzze » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:20 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Wrong view to Right view. Gradual or sudden?

Postby reflection » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:22 am

Is really that useful to know what may or may not happen with respect to right view? Best is just to practice the path, to plant the seeds. How fast the plants will grow is out of our control. Maybe it goes at a snail's pace, maybe it goes like a rocket. Maybe it goes gradually, maybe it goes suddenly. But at least we are on the path.

With metta.

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Re: Wrong view to Right view. Gradual or sudden?

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:38 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Wrong view to Right view. Gradual or sudden?

Postby manas » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:56 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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