Meditation on Love will not break you out of Samsara
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Meditation on Love will not break you out of Samsara
Meditation on Love will not break you out of Samsara.
The highest realms in all of universe are the immaterial realms where the focus of meditation is no nothingness and infinity of consciousness.
When one is attached to the meditation on love, then the highest realms which one can ascend are the realms of form.
Because one is still attached to sensual desires.
To get out of the cycle of samsara of rebirth and death, one has to eliminate all traces of emotions from one being, no love no hate no thoughts absolutely nothingness.
For that is how one can achieve the infinity of consciousness.
The highest realms in all of universe are the immaterial realms where the focus of meditation is no nothingness and infinity of consciousness.
When one is attached to the meditation on love, then the highest realms which one can ascend are the realms of form.
Because one is still attached to sensual desires.
To get out of the cycle of samsara of rebirth and death, one has to eliminate all traces of emotions from one being, no love no hate no thoughts absolutely nothingness.
For that is how one can achieve the infinity of consciousness.
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Re: Meditation on Love will not break you out of Samsara
You don't need love to forgive your enemy.
You don't need to love your enemy to forgive them.
You just merely recognize that the hate which you have in your being for your enemy will bring you back to the next round of rebirth and death if you do decide to let go of all your hate and anger.
You don't need to love your enemy to forgive them.
You just merely recognize that the hate which you have in your being for your enemy will bring you back to the next round of rebirth and death if you do decide to let go of all your hate and anger.
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I hope you don't really believe this.
The Blessed One said:
"What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range." Sabba Sutta.
"What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range." Sabba Sutta.
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And it is done through love.purestsoul wrote:To get out of the cycle of samsara of rebirth and death, one has to eliminate all traces of emotions from one being, no love no hate no thoughts absolutely nothingness.
Say what you think about me here.
Re: Meditation on Love will not break you out of Samsara
It all start by a clinging entity-concept, clinging to itself, while it has no ground to be. This is the imagined ground on which all other delusions/imaginations are arising. Then love cannot be.purestsoul wrote:You don't need love to forgive your enemy.
You don't need to love your enemy to forgive them.
You just merely recognize that the hate which you have in your being for your enemy will bring you back to the next round of rebirth and death if you do decide to let go of all your hate and anger.
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'Theories are like patches, in time they fall off.' (Milarepa)purestsoul wrote:Meditation on Love will not break you out of Samsara.The highest realms in all of universe are the immaterial realms where the focus of meditation is no nothingness and infinity of consciousness.When one is attached to the meditation on love, then the highest realms which one can ascend are the realms of form.
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It is correct that meditation on love alone will not free you from samsara. It will slowly purify your mind, accumulate merit and purify karma and will by itself result in rebirth in a god realm.purestsoul wrote:Meditation on Love will not break you out of Samsara.
But it's a start.
Kirt
“Where do atomic bombs come from?”
Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
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Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
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Re: Meditation on Love will not break you out of Samsara
Too much work, and not necessary at all.purestsoul wrote: To get out of the cycle of samsara of rebirth and death, one has to eliminate all traces of emotions from one being, no love no hate no thoughts absolutely nothingness.
Furthermore, you can't show any place
where emotions really exist in one's being to begin with.
So, if they aren't really there,
how can you get rid of them?
You only need to see that emotions have no true existence
and thus are nothing to cling to.
To feel happy without depending on happiness,
to feel sadness without dwelling in it,
that's all you need for non-attachment.
Then you can wander across the stream of samsara
without ever getting your feet wet.
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EMPTIFUL.
An inward outlook produces outward insight.
An inward outlook produces outward insight.
Re: Meditation on Love will not break you out of Samsara
Better to get rid of that which thinks it needs purifying.
The four boundless, including maitri, are truley realized when they can stand on their own without an owner in the way. However, due to deep delusion and ignorance, this is very difficult to do. So by meditating on loving kindness, one starts to soften the hard mindheart of delusion and the truth of things starts to shine through.
Then there can be a path toward true maitri, karuna, mudita and upeksha.
The four boundless, including maitri, are truley realized when they can stand on their own without an owner in the way. However, due to deep delusion and ignorance, this is very difficult to do. So by meditating on loving kindness, one starts to soften the hard mindheart of delusion and the truth of things starts to shine through.
Then there can be a path toward true maitri, karuna, mudita and upeksha.
Phenomenon, vast as space, dharmata is your base, arising and falling like ocean tide cycles, why do i cling to your illusion of unceasing changlessness?
Re: Meditation on Love will not break you out of Samsara
The highest realms of the universe are not out of the world. It is still Samsara.purestsoul wrote:...
The highest realms in all of universe are the immaterial realms where the focus of meditation is no nothingness and infinity of consciousness. ...
If you reach there, you still havn't got out of Samsara.
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How do you know that?Ayu wrote:The highest realms of the universe are not out of the world. It is still Samsara.purestsoul wrote:...
The highest realms in all of universe are the immaterial realms where the focus of meditation is no nothingness and infinity of consciousness. ...
If you reach there, you still havn't got out of Samsara.
Have you reached the highest realms of the Universe?
Have you freed yourself from Samsara?
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Have you?purestsoul wrote:How do you know that?Ayu wrote:The highest realms of the universe are not out of the world. It is still Samsara.purestsoul wrote:...
The highest realms in all of universe are the immaterial realms where the focus of meditation is no nothingness and infinity of consciousness. ...
If you reach there, you still havn't got out of Samsara.
Have you reached the highest realms of the Universe?
Have you freed yourself from Samsara?
/magnus
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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)
~Kurt Vonnegut
"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)
Re: Meditation on Love will not break you out of Samsara
I'm sorry. My teacher said so, and he knows it from the Lamrim-teachings of Tsongkhapa.purestsoul wrote:How do you know that?Ayu wrote:The highest realms of the universe are not out of the world. It is still Samsara.purestsoul wrote:...
The highest realms in all of universe are the immaterial realms where the focus of meditation is no nothingness and infinity of consciousness. ...
If you reach there, you still havn't got out of Samsara.
Have you reached the highest realms of the Universe?
Have you freed yourself from Samsara?
There are six realms , where beings are living - one of them are the hells and one of them are the highest realms where gods and godesses live... This is all samsara still. Buddha taught that so.
If these highest realms are within this universe, as you said, they are bound to be in samsara.
Because nirvana is a state of mind - and it is here.
sorry, i don't want to bother.
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Re: Meditation on Love will not break you out of Samsara
In a Buddhist context, love, compassion, equanimity, all the paramitas, all these kinds of things are not necessarily "emotions" like they are in western psych or religion etc. I think the point of something like Tonglen or Metta or whatever is not just to make you feel good or make you nicer to others, it is to turn around your view at a deep level.
These are about one's relation to, and view of the "outside" world..the more you practice them, the more you open and the line between "inside" and "outside" fades, so not only are they important, but from a Mahayana POV they are instrumental in the realization of emptiness.
Also, trying to focus on "nothingness" to blot other stuff out is warned against really specifically in a number of texts, some of them say the conscious attempts at "nothingness" or repression/stopping of thought can lead to an animal rebirth!
These are about one's relation to, and view of the "outside" world..the more you practice them, the more you open and the line between "inside" and "outside" fades, so not only are they important, but from a Mahayana POV they are instrumental in the realization of emptiness.
Also, trying to focus on "nothingness" to blot other stuff out is warned against really specifically in a number of texts, some of them say the conscious attempts at "nothingness" or repression/stopping of thought can lead to an animal rebirth!
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when afflicted by disease
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when sad
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when suffering occurs
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when you are scared
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Meditate upon Bodhicitta when sad
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when suffering occurs
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when you are scared
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Re: Meditation on Love will not break you out of Samsara
If you have no thoughts then how are you going to find food to eat? How are you going to know where the bathroom is?purestsoul wrote:Meditation on Love will not break you out of Samsara.
The highest realms in all of universe are the immaterial realms where the focus of meditation is no nothingness and infinity of consciousness.
When one is attached to the meditation on love, then the highest realms which one can ascend are the realms of form.
Because one is still attached to sensual desires.
To get out of the cycle of samsara of rebirth and death, one has to eliminate all traces of emotions from one being, no love no hate no thoughts absolutely nothingness.
For that is how one can achieve the infinity of consciousness.
One should not kill any living being, nor cause it to be killed, nor should one incite any other to kill. Do never injure any being, whether strong or weak, in this entire universe!
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Re: Meditation on Love will not break you out of Samsara
"highest realms of the Universe" is an absurd concept.purestsoul wrote: Have you reached the highest realms of the Universe?
"self" can never be freed from samsara.purestsoul wrote:Have you freed yourself from Samsara?
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EMPTIFUL.
An inward outlook produces outward insight.
An inward outlook produces outward insight.
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Re: Meditation on Love will not break you out of Samsara
Buddha never said it would.purestsoul wrote:Meditation on Love will not break you out of Samsara.
On what basis do you claim the validity of this?purestsoul wrote:The highest realms in all of universe are the immaterial realms where the focus of meditation is no nothingness and infinity of consciousness.
purestsoul wrote:When one is attached to the meditation on love, then the highest realms which one can ascend are the realms of form.
Define "meditation on love".
the "one" is a manifestation of attachment to sensual desires.purestsoul wrote:Because one is still attached to sensual desires.
No sensual desires, no more "one". So, the two cannot be separated as you suggest.
I already addressed that one and eagerly await your reply.purestsoul wrote:To get out of the cycle of samsara of rebirth and death, one has to eliminate all traces of emotions from one being, no love no hate no thoughts absolutely nothingness.
it isn't consciousness that is infinite.purestsoul wrote:For that is how one can achieve the infinity of consciousness.
Consciousness arises due to conditions.
The ground of awareness is boundless,
and that has doesn't need to be achieved
because you are already experiencing it,
although not clearly.
However, if this is what you are set on,
then perhaps this might interest you:
http://www.amazon.com/Kung-Fu-Complete- ... B000X07TLA
EMPTIFUL.
An inward outlook produces outward insight.
An inward outlook produces outward insight.
Re: Meditation on Love will not break you out of Samsara
This thread will be of interest: the brilliant Garchen Rinpoche on love...
http://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=10979
http://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=10979
Re: Meditation on Love will not break you out of Samsara
You are attached to the desire of gainpurestsoul wrote:Because one is still attached to sensual desires.
To get out of the cycle of samsara of rebirth and death, one has to eliminate all traces of emotions from one being, no love no hate no thoughts absolutely nothingness.
For that is how one can achieve the infinity of consciousness.
If you eliminate, you are busy doing something, not being aware of "emptiness", which is not nothingness. Do not misinterpret the teachings. The majority of them explain this point.
In reality, everything just as it is right now is just right for your awakening. Emotions and all. Don't be attached to any particular emotion, don't be repulsed from any particular emotion, just let them be and observe.
Lastly:
"Buddhist texts caution against treating consciousness as the ultimate reality. Consciousness is only a projection of the original nature" - quoted from http://creative.sulekha.com/consciousne ... 22379_blog
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Re: Meditation on Love will not break you out of Samsara
Johnny Dangerous wrote:In a Buddhist context, love, compassion, equanimity, all the paramitas, all these kinds of things are not necessarily "emotions" like they are in western psych or religion etc. I think the point of something like Tonglen or Metta or whatever is not just to make you feel good or make you nicer to others, it is to turn around your view at a deep level.
These are about one's relation to, and view of the "outside" world..the more you practice them, the more you open and the line between "inside" and "outside" fades, so not only are they important, but from a Mahayana POV they are instrumental in the realization of emptiness.
Also, trying to focus on "nothingness" to blot other stuff out is warned against really specifically in a number of texts, some of them say the conscious attempts at "nothingness" or repression/stopping of thought can lead to an animal rebirth!
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