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And that evidences what?

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Postby Kenshou » Sun Apr 24, 2011 7:15 am

It is my suspicion that when it comes to something as radical as seeing through self-view and gaining that understanding of how the cessation of suffering is possible (which is a big deal), even if it is not conceptually remembered, the individual could still intuit, so to say, that knowledge. Those realizations are pretty novel for one who has been going around and around in samsara for so long, and I would not be surprised that they would condition the mindstream significantly.

If you pushed me to say one way or another whether retrogression is possible I would have to say that I simply don't know, so I'd better not worry about it right now since thinking about that isn't going to help me not retrogress.

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Postby acinteyyo » Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:09 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Cessation's permanence

Postby rowyourboat » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:26 am

HI Akuma,

So you want the ending of suffering? ..and the way to do that is to get to this place called nibbana? ..and you have doubts about its permanency?

Seems reasonable, but it also seems to be wound up with an idea of having to get to someplace where the ending of suffering is seen. Theravada buddhism doesnt work like that.

In Theravada Buddhism we see the ending of suffering in this life, by understanding the full extent of suffering, by seeing the causes of that full spread of suffering, and by removing the cause(s) of that suffering .. in this very life. Nibbana expressed in a mundane way, is experienced in this very life. Your assumption that people here haven't experienced nibbana, the truth of that process to nibbana, and the logical consistency of the goal, the experiential relief of cessation, and at least the release that faith in this goal brings, is mistaken. Even their lack of ignorance about the dhamma, their lack of doubt will take them to a good place at the very least. You seem to sit ever outside, wondering, pondering but never really belonging.. to anything. What use has been your erudition to you?

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Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.


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